Thanks for your response! I’m not sure it’s that much of a choice. Like any accent, I think it’s regional (and generational). I spent some of my formative years in Southern California in the 80s, so I’m almost certain I speak with some degree of vocal fry. At least I’ve managed to weed out the “likes”.

What about it makes the speaker sound stupid? I work with people who are judged (unfairly, I think) for speaking with a Southern accent, or slipping into AAVE. How is this different? Not trying to pick a fight, I promise. I really enjoy your comments, and I’m genuinely interested in your thoughts.

You missed that any woman who only ever speaks in modal voice will be criticized for being utterly monotone and boring. Because you can’t be too dull while not calling attention to yourself!

Wow. LaughingMan? Please take into account that I’m a 42-year-old straight cis professional white man who speaks with neither vocal fry nor uptalk and have spent much of my career in the thoroughly masculine rawwwrrr worlds of professional wrestling and MMA when I say this: you’re a dick. ForTheLoveOfBeets batted you…

YES. That This American Life episode stuck with me. To hear that over the years, NPR listeners have written in to complain about whatever the affectation of the day is when it comes to women’s - and ONLY women’s voices - over the years. Then Ira points out, “I do it too.” UGH.

Funny how my pointing out your bullshit makes you feel like I’m somehow angry at you. Guess it’s pretty threatening to be called out for your pathetic flailing. Also, thanks for that “feminazi” comment—in all-caps no less! I just made “grown men throwing unseemly tantrums on the internet” bingo! This is a good day.

Bahahaha, you know you’re losing the argument when you pull out the old “you’re a commie pinko fag” as a flaccid, pitiful last resort.

They’re probably doing it because they don’t want to be talking to you specifically in the first place.

Seinfeld.

I completely agree with you - Policing speech is just one way of controlling the oppressed in society. Notice affects by women, black people and latinos are seen as terrible but affects by male, wealthy or french people etc are seen as amazing and a sign of being oh so refined. Leave me and my likes and my uptalk and…

It’s hilarious that you think that I’m 1) in need of a job, and 2) eager to work in the kind of place that employs crusty old sexists like you who get off on reprimanding young women for existing.

Yeah, I think a lot of guys who do that literally never get challenged on it, so I can see how straight-up just saying “stop, I’m talking” might shock them into silence.

Plus a lot of these vocal patterns are shared by both men and women.

You are dead wrong. This is a part of normal speech and has been forever. In fact, it is a hallmark of the speech of British upper class men. It only became “annoying” when someone decided if Kim Kardashian does it it must be ridiculous.

I teach adult foreign language classes, and men have an extremely irritating habit of talking the fuck over any woman in the room (sometimes even me), and totally dominating the conversation with inane shit and stupid questions. Rather, not all of my male students do this,but the students who do so are invariably…

Try again. Those sources have professional linguists as experts.

There’s a great study that shows that you are wrong. Specifically, it shows that you wouldn’t hear the vocal fry, unless you already had a negative opinion of the person using it, and that there’s no such thing as a speech sound that “inherently” conveys anything.

Maybe I don’t respect your bullshit enough to talk to you like an adult.

lololololol k, thanks for sharing the criteria one must meet in order to merit the privilege of you listening to what they have to say. esp in a workplace context, bc we all know you can just selectively pay attention there. trust, as someone well-versed in workplace sexism, this definitely isn’t some misogynistic…

For you: from this http://www.npr.org/2015/07/23/425…