I don’t know about other cars, and I live in the Nashville TN area, so we don’t get Dakota winters, but here is what I can tell you about the Leaf. The early models (2011-2012) were awful in cold weather. We’ve had a 2011, a 2013-SV, a 2015-SL and now a 2016-SL. My 2011 could lose 60% of it’s range below 20 degrees.…

The internet truly is a gift that gives with one hand while trying to punch you in the nuts with the other.

Or summers. It was 110 today. My Leaf’s range drops 15-20 miles when the AC works that hard. My range is about 56 miles fully charged.

Real life experience here:

Good luck doing that in a Leaf.

Even in the mid 30's, I notice a huge difference in my hybrid’s MPGs. A lot of the time, I can’t even use the EV mode until it’s had 15-20 minutes or more for the system to warm up.

Does their research take into consideration any reduced range or battery service life for populations that experience real, actual winters?

You should probably just focus on getting out of ND.

I live in Kansas City and the experts are saying that they’re expecting a colder, snowier winter than average this year here as well. That makes sense because it hardly snowed here the past two winters, which is unusual. And yeah, batteries hate cold.

Besides the exhaust, the Ralliart package includes: different/lower springs, shocks, quicker and steering rack with less damping, strut tower brace, 5 lug wheels and 205/50/16 tires, and a larger front sway bar. I dd one of these, and it’s been very reliable.

Holy shit that's painful to look at

That’s a gawdamn snuff film, you monster.

You may need this.

Well if they kept their recent trend going, they were going to have to change the name to Lunch Brake.

I took every auto shop class I could, I went to 2 years of vocational classes during high school, I have an associates degree in automotive technology, and I worked as an ASE certified mechanic for 10 years. Recreationally, I have restored or partially-restored GMs, Mopars and Fords. My relationship with cars goes…

I think the point Andrew made in there was about operating cost. For vehicles that are supposed to be used commercially this is a significant consideration.

This is like half irrelevant to anything, but I couldn’t find a perfect thread and also this is about old cars. :P

Here, I just did the research:

I have an Uncle who swears up and down that “real trucks have 8' beds, anything else is a toy”. Something to do with 8' x 4' being a standard plywood/drywall size. Ever since I was a child, he would only drive long-bed Chevrolet Silverados.