I keep seriously flirting with the idea of putting an ad on the local Craigslist M4M board - I don’t wanna bang you or convert you; I want to go to gallery openings and local plays and dinner & drinks on a Friday with intelligent conversation, then say Ta Lovie! Airkiss! and each be on about our business. Now mind…

This thread was hijacked over some incredible whataboutisms. Infant mortality is in the shitter and people are actively looking the other way because of a perceived slight from the CDC. That’s a bit much.

I’m very fond of the reason that there was a slew of Jessicas after the advent of Murder, She Wrote. (In the UK, too.)

No prob!

I was really hoping that the rumors were true and the name was Mariposa

A Kardashian naming her child “Stormi” is the most 2017 thing I’ve read in the past year and two months.

My mother was going to name me Storm... but then my asshole twin had to make an appearance and since his name started with a J, I got stuck with Jennifer. A totally unique, and not at all popular name for a girl child born in the 80s *pause for reaction* My mother really dropped the ball on this one.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the medical community should tell people the preliminary results on things like “how alcohol probably hurts your baby” before they have every piece of data you think they need? Because I sure as hell would rather scientists come out with it as soon as they know there’s an issue,…

It didn’t come off as condescending to me. The resistance to science is real. I get it, I just had a baby, I was annoyed as hell at all the rules. Sure, there’s no way to completely protect yourself and sure, most lunch meat doesn’t have listeria. But shit, if we KNOW there is a risk, why not advise against it?!

Um...no.

Except saying “don’t drink at all” is sound science because it’s an application of the precautionary principle, which is, you know, good science. It’s saying “Scientifically, we cannot pinpoint when alcohol consumption becomes problematic or becomes likely to result in fetal damage, so the precautionary principle…

Except you just compared a CORRELATIVE link (age-autism) to a CAUSATIVE one (Alcohol in pregnancy-FAS). It amazes me that so few people still don’t get that two such things are not comparable.

i think what’s challenging here is that as adults we are accustomed to taking responsibility for our own choices. With fetal alcohol system, for example, someone else is actually living with the consequences of your decisions. just one of many ways that pregnancy/parenthood make forces us to see issues from a…

Honestly though... who is pregnant and going to a wine tasting!? Aren’t your friends giving you the “side eye”... isn’t your partner like, “Yoooo, Katie you better spit that shit out!”.

I really don’t understand the resistance to science here. Alcohol reaches your baby and their developing liver at the same concentration that it reaches your brain. If you are buzzed, your baby is trying to metabolize it with their tiny organs.

AGREED - add drug use for the win.

This country made its bed, long ago, with being ok with alcoholism. I’m 100% certain someone will write in to justify the behavior too. People get really upset when you talk about responsibility and alcoholism.

Fetal alcohol syndrome is such a weird spot for me, because I think people should have complete bodily autonomy. You shouldn’t be forced to donate organs and you should be allowed to get an abortion whenever you want, etc. But also I think it’s messed up to produce a child with a condition that could have ruinous…

“But the C.D.C. is saying, ‘We don’t know. Maybe you just won the lottery.’”

lol, you aren’t lying. If they matched me with people my age, I would be bummed. I hate myself.