Yes. There was more exploration, intelligent conversation, and moral philosophizing in the last two weeks than basically any Trek since the rare good episode of Voyager (or Enterprise’s final year if you want to be kind). First Handlen said Discovery was too unlike TNG. Now it’s too similar to old Trek. Which is it?

Like seriously why does this reviewer seemingly dislike the show so much, yet also seemingly give it a decent grade?

The Orville is basically recanned Trek with some jokes. If that’s what you are looking for, then it is indeed a decent show.

...I’m really struggling with Tilly...

I feel like we’re not watching the same show. I don’t disagree that the character exploration is shallow, but the show has branched greatly in terms of giving the relatively large cast their own moments this season... it’s a slow drip, but I’m really enjoying the entire cast. I thought this episode’s story did a great…

Another for the “bizarrely angry Discovery review” pile. This one is better at seeming like it’s not a “waaaaah this doesn’t make me feel like TNG made me feel when I was 9" screed than the ones on Reddit, but that’s all this is.

I don’t see what’s so edgy about this show, at least not compared to DS9.

Firstly, name one Star Trek series past TOS that got its act together before its third season. Secondly you and TheRealBatman have your wires crossed. He quotes, Joss Whedon about need, you come back with an agreement that Fans didn’t get what they wanted. Need and Want aren’t the same thing at all, which is why Joss…

As a Dad, this really bothers me on a visceral level. Who WOULDN’T want to spend time with your kid?!? He’s YOUR KID. This will definitely impact them since “Dad doesn’t seem to care” which in turn will influence their parenting style which perpetuates this indifference.

Or if Riker had shown up on the last episode of Enterprise.

With all of the Trek spinoffs that CBS All Access seems to be planning, this might be an actual show.

Or Seth MacFarlane- wait.

TNG was so hated, fan backlash against it was cited as a reason for Star Trek V’s box office failure.

Seems a little odd to refer to the main character as a “Mary Sue”...

Or Sarah Silverman.

All the flashbacks to young Spock and the discussion of his and Michael’s childhood left me asking, “what about Sybok?” (and don’t @ me with “that movie sucked so don’t consider it canon”)

It basically sci-fi version of Onion article Man’s Meteoric Rise Through Company Testament To Their High Turnover Rate.

What about a hot, Caitian captain?

I think that would actually be a great idea. Why not explore different leadership styles - the lazy captain, the cowardly captain, hot captain, the nerdy captain, etc.?

Yeah, he only gets physical with salt vampire aliens masquerading as women, right?  man to I hate it when people try to short circuit debates by saying “This isn’t Star Trek”.