She's just delightful in Tootsie which I highly recommend.

Erm, Bette Davis never ever thought of herself as a 10. I also don't think Joan was putting her worse look forward. In fact, she actively worked to look her best (unlike Bette).
The reality of what they now looked like on screen, however, did seem to make them ache, but I thinknit was for different reasons.

Too soon?

A B movie that was nominated for Best Actress though…so, you know, that ain't nothing.

It's from when Catherine Deneauve turned her into a vampire in The Hunger. 😉

Nah, William Holden, Montgomery Clift and Brando were 50s hot.

Yeah, but he got the wooden part down perfectly!

Wasn't Ida Lupino also directing at that time?

The depression and both World Wars had a hugely negative impact on health, but yeah, all the cigarettes and booze didn't help either.

Umm, not if you've seen Baby Jane. 🙄

I've read that she had pretty serious OCD and had to clean every new space as they implied with her dressing room. The story of her childhood is horrific so it's not so surprising she developed a coping mechanism.

Before I read the comments, I just have to say that as a huge film buff this pilot was a thrill. I've seen many films by both and know many tales of the other players. I'm so grateful that Ryan Murphy continues to find ways to utilize great actresses—5 Oscar winners so far (leads, Bates, Zeta-Jones, Davis).
It's also…

IRL She's 49 and he's 40. That's 9 years.
I'm 50 and done Skype sexy time. Maybe you don't think older folks can use technology? Have a lot of sex?

A cheeky way of saying "This ain't Sesame Street".

I'm going to be super disappointed if it goes that way. If all the men are awful, then it just becomes too much melodrama and for me, would significantly degrade the good of having so many multi-dimensional women. I don't like it when one gender ends up being universally maligned.

He's also been roommates with Adam for quite awhile. Or was.

You're continued comments suggest you have no interest in understanding the legal issues but merely in your own prevailing sense of right and wrong.
I'm done.

What the actual fuck?
You are trying to tell me that if you'd been given the bed and told your boss would be on the couch that it'd be perfectly acceptable to you for him to crawl into bed with you, without permission, stripped to his undies and drunk?
Nothing about that is okay or reasonable. Any person who had that…

Community does not equal one particularly powerful lawyer. Community is the whole town and region. This is particularly strange, in fact, because I'd be hard-pressed to think of a more progressive area.

They were all pretty wealthy the 1st season (the only one I saw).