Try asking them about cobalt in their phone, power tool battery, or why not the cobalt used to refine crude oil the next time they start talking about the child labor used for EV batteries.
As you said, they didn’t care for a second before this.

What I’d really like to see is the total environmental impact, not just emissions apples to apples.

I find few things more satisfying than when “those” types try to argue me that my EV is not better for the environment than their gas car, and me telling them I don’t care about the environment, I bought my car because it can haul a dresser and still rip a 0-60 in under 3s. And it costs me pennies per mile to drive.…

I’ve never heard of anyone griping about tire pollution until it came time to argue against EVs.

Engineering Explained went over this. IIRC the conclusion is always an EV will cut emissions within just a couple years vs even “your existing” ICE vehicle.

What stupid morons would stop immigration when they need the workers.... Ah, never mind.

Uh, you may wanna check up the recent news in China. They're in the same boat South Korea vis a vis not enough kids.

You’re never going to get an objective answer for a sum total of “how bad” something is. Its not a quantifiable figure. You can quantify how much of many particular many “evils” something is, but you can’t mix and match “evils” and sum them together to get an objective figure. Especially since a lot of what you said…

environmental/econonic/social impact of rolling blackouts due to insufficient power to charge vehicles

You say you honestly want to know, however, it seems like you really just want to nitpick numbers that are spoon fed to you that support your current mindset. The truth is that you’re asking for answers that can’t reasonably reported accurately because there isn’t an accurate way to measure the “social impact of the…

I honestly want to know

It would be wonderful for the environment if we could just gracefully decline in population.

But so many of the basic underpinnings of our economy are depending on growth, which is created and sustained by the increasing population. We are kind of stuck in a Ponzi scheme loop right now, and having a reduction in…

“high-speed rail service”

Yes, we should be moving to more mass transit and less commuting. We should strive for walkable cities and other programs that reduce our use of individual vehicles.

It’s all smoke and mirrors. The environmental impact of both types of vehicles is catastrophic. Great. So ICE vehicles are a category 5 hurricane and EVs are a category 3. Fantastic. They are both capable of wreaking spectacular damage.

So things would get crowded more slowly and we’d still get more open space and opportunities for wildlife outside of India and China, although IIRC China is about to start, if not already has, entered into its own population decline. It is Africa where the biggest growth is, but for the rest of the world, a managed…

Something something socialism something something the poor something something libruls

Yes, and countries with low birth rates in need of workers can short-term open up for migration. Low birth rates are only a problem if you exclude people from the rest of the world.

my favorite is the whole lineup of 2010 lotus concept cars

I got to go with the Nissan IDx