The other frustrating thing is that they’re often watching live streams periscoped from Bernie supporters, so they’re recorded in the Bernie section. Of course the nays sound louder in a voice vote when you’re recording from the middle of the section that is voting nay.

The video taken from the Bernie section, where of course the “no”s will sound louder? Yeah okay. Also a voice vote is not about loudness, it’s about number of people.

What. Are. You. Talking. About.

Did you post the wrong video or something? The video you posted doesn’t show that the yays had fewer supporters. The Nos seem to be slightly louder but it’s recorded from the Bernie section, so the nos would be expected to be louder.

The preliminary vote was at 9:30. Then the vote you show happened, and it passed. You realize that a voice vote doesn’t mean that if anyone says no the motion fails, right? The video just shows the motion passing. The temporary rules, which, again, were agreed to by a group consisting of both Bernie and Hillary…

They didn’t “change the rules,” they adopted the rules that had been agreed to by the party’s executive committee well before the convention, including Bernie supporters. Some Bernie supporters wanted to change the rules before they were adopted, but they didn’t make a proper motion to do so (which they admit). But…

Yep. Caucuses are the worst.

They were called the “temporary rules” until the point at which they were adopted, then they became the permanent rules, I believe.

What are you talking about? All the county conventions did was give Bernie more delegates to the state convention, but those people still had to show up. No delegates were ever supposed to be awarded based on the county convention.

Yep! They freaked out because a set of rules were adopted that they knew about in advance and they readily admit they never made a motion to change.

There may have been enough signatures for a motion to change the rules before they were adopted, but the people who wanted to do so admitted that they didn’t make a proper motion.

The people who were excluded were deemed ineligible by a committee that was half Bernie supporters, half Hillary supporters, and they also found a number of Hillary’s delegates ineligible.

Yes. The rules that were adopted were the temporary convention rules that were issued weeks before the convention, not brand new rules that they came up with on the spot. My understanding is that they were arrived at by a committee that was split between HRC and Bernie supporters. But some Bernie supporters wanted to…

But they weren’t wrong. It was a bunch of people who didn’t bother to learn the rules and therefore thought they were getting screwed.

They weren’t “new rules,” they were the temporary convention rules that had been pre-negotiated before the event and that they had already had a preliminary vote on. Everyone knew what they were before they even arrived at the convention. Bernie supporters were trying to make last-minute changes to them after…

They think it’s undemocratic because someone posted a video of the vote to adopt the previously-agreed-upon rules where it sounds like the “nays” are louder than the “yays” but the chair says the yays have it. Ignoring that the video is recorded from the middle of a Bernie section, and that of course the shouting of…

No worries, I think a number of people are.

Are you seriously suggesting that my negative reaction is less valid because I’m a member of the group about whom a harmful assumption is being made?

No one is saying don’t recommend people get professional help. The point is that (a) assuming that people aren’t getting professional help because they’re in crisis doesn’t make sense and (b) saying that getting helps “works!” as a blanket statement is incorrect and hurtful to people who’ve gotten help, tried hard,…