Oh, it's the same thing for women. I had soooo much better luck prior to my recent early 30s weight gain. I'm about 20 lbs from my previous level of attractiveness, which also at least got me noticed by women on occaision. It's much harder now. Guys are expected to be fit.

That's bullshit, speak for yourself. A genuine great personality can definlitely go far, and plenty of guys don't have the level of shallowness you describe.

That sums up my entire experience internet dating. I constantly see women complaining about all the skeezy guys engaging in horrific behavoir. I would think that doing pretty much the exact opposite would make it pretty easy to stand out and get replies.

men spend 7.2 minutes.

Not sure about not witnessing it, it's something that appears in this forum quite frequently, and it's a sentiment that's appeared in this very thread when women say that guys are all shallow and don't care about personality. That's the same kind of externalization as the friendzone nonsense. It's just aimed at all…

Seriously, that was an amazing bit of pretzel logic there. What an ass.

I thought this said there was slapping and throwing stars involved...which might have actually made this interesting.

There's also domestic political element in play here as well. You've got a more moderate-conservative administration which is pretty reveiled by the ultra-conservative religous elements AND the security services (Revolutionary Guards, etc.). One of the things that Rouhani ran on was moving a bit away from some of…

The idea that it's just about sex seems to come from the PUA crowd and women that assume guys are just after sex. The only times I've heard it, other than here, was back in junior high school, or maybe high school, when people wanted to date someone, but before sex was assumed.

Good points, and yes, pretty bizarre to consdier sex to be the ONLY distinction between a romantic relationshpi and a platonic one.

According to some women here, it seems so. If he didn't, that means all guys are shallow jerks who only want to date women 10 years younger.

But the point is said man is called a jerk simply for not liking her. Or more often, the woman will complain that every single man is a jerk, because that dude didn't like her.

I don't think that's the type of situation being discussed though. It's a matter of being in a similar situation where a woman likes a guy, who doesn't like her back, so that womanb thinks that guy (or more often, ALL GUYS) must be shallow jerks. Hear it all the time. No different from the friendzoned dude.

Yeah, pretty hilarious considering this very thread is full of examples of women disparaging dudes for being so shallow and not caring about personalities.

Well said. While the sense of entitlement might appear in slightly different ways, it's certainly not a gendered thing, and it's seen here often enough. Just look at all the post saying "guys only care about looks," they'll put up with horrible women if they're hot."

Where does it say that women are shallow? It says "here's what you need to be noticed." I don't see that as any different from women's magazines. In fact, I'm sure it's a lot of the same companies and PR firms employing the same practices.

Yep. As soon as I saw that list it was clear—these are the company's marketting in Esquire merely cobbling together an ad in the form of a "self-improvement" piece.

Absolutely.

Yep, just move on dudes!

The general assumption here is that men only want sex. Which is ironic consdiering that's a false gender stereotype, and such stereotypes are supposed to be wrong (of course they are, but some folks prefer to pick and choose).