Don’t most people understand how this actually works? If that’s the case, I don’t see the problem. The amount someone is financing or paying in cash is clear as they’re signing their paperwork. I can’t imagine a single person drives their new car home wondering why the vehicle wasn’t discounted by the dealer.

For the record, I’m glad to see how far Kia/Hyundai have come. I’m rooting for them, not against them. 

As someone who salivates over certain cars, some others just seem gross and boring despite their high price tags. 

I’ve got to say, these aren’t the worst things I’ve ever seen. The design holds up better than pretty much everything GM of that era. 

That wasn’t my experience with the brand. 

I’m not knocking your choice in autos, I’m sure you had your good reasons and were making smart purchases within your means. It seems to me that their Honda or Toyota counterparts retain their values better and tend to stand the test of time. You don’t see many 10+ year old Hyundais and Kias on the road, compared to…

That’s cool if that’s their place in the market. This also baffles me that people are paying markups on the Palisade and the Telluride. Maybe they’ve gotten that good where someone would actively choose one of these over a tried and true Pilot, but maybe they’re not?

There are other places to buy old crappy junkers than just Craigslist. I’ve seen junkers on others sites like Nextdoor, OfferUp, and Facebook Marketplace. He doesn’t need to turn to a dealership to buy old crappy junkers. 

They’ve come a long way since the dismal days of the Excel. In full disclosure, I’ve owned two Hyundais. My first was a ticking timebomb Excel, the second was a more modern Elantra. We can take the Excel out of the equation because they were inherently flawed, and certainly built to a price point, rather than to a…

When Ford and Mazda were paired up for design in the 1990s, we got some of the best out of both of those companies. The Ranger and the Escort were both great cars for their era, and seemed to be better than most of their domestic counterparts.

The Wranglers are cool. They’ve always got that on their side; but what’s your take on quality, reliability, and longevity?

But are they actually as good as their Japanese counterparts? Maybe good from day one, but are they going to be as legendarily reliable as Toyotas? We’ve all got friends that have never let us down, and we tend to inherently trust them as a result. Whereas we also have friends who are unreliable, perhaps dishonest,…

It took until 2022 for Hyundai to be concerned with their brand image? 

This market is straight up kooky dooks.

Betteridge’s Law at its best.

Agreed; let’s do that.

The Charger R/T I’ve had as rentals a few times. They’re a hoot to drive. But, the spartan interior with a general lack of style makes it a not fun place to spend much time. 

Just an average day of lane splitting in California.

Fair question.

This is true. There’s such a huge range in dealership service and philosophy. We’re in the process of buying a new car. Prices are insane, and I’d never thought paying MSRP would be a good deal. I can see why they don’t feel compelled to sell them for less than MSRP if they’re sold before they are built, or before…