Ugh, "Jayden".

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

And thank you for posting the link in the first place. If you hadn't, it would probably be a long time before I learned about tone policing.

For fuck's sake, tone it down a bit. You're already louder than you think you are, you drunken animals.

My apologies. I sincerely did not mean to derail the conversation. But, since that's apparently what "tone arguments" do, then I'll not make that argument again.

I don't expect women to mince words around men. But, I think awareness of how many men might view feminism as something they can't participate in without being mocked would go a long way towards more effectively recruiting allies.

Of course most feminists aren't hostile to men. As stated, "[h]ostile tones" alienate potential allies. It's a question of communication strategy and nothing more.

I shouldn't have to convince men to not be fucking misogynists by being nice and protecting their widdle baby fweelings. MEN SHOULD BE ALLIES AND NOT COMMIT GENDER BASED VIOLENCE BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, NOT BECAUSE FEMINISTS WERE NICE TO THEM.

Well, and Australians. Aussies looove Texas, in my experience.

The worst (best?) thing about your story is I can vividly imagine it playing out:

My god, that is the most devastatingly awkward and embarrassing thing I've heard in a long while. I'm so sorry, but that's so cringe-worthy that I had to laugh a little.

I dunno, some of us White, male, and upper middle class people can be pretty awkward and self-conscious. Look at Rivers Cuomo.

I think you're very right. However, my ultimate goal was not to convince this person of the moral depravity of her goal, which is apparent to most. Instead, I was hoping to steer her into describing the practical steps toward achieving her goals, which would certainly involve some really, really bleak stuff. Those…

Edit: Immoral, not amoral. I should proofread more often.

My issue with barring men is indeed that it is amoral. But, I didn't figure that argument would resonate with the person to whom I was replying. So, I took the "we're all in the same boat together" approach instead.

I so badly want consent to be a serious topic of discourse...

I don't think our "gender is in the hands of feminist rhetoric". Guys can still attain a higher education, we're just expected to not sexually assault anyone while we're doing it. Seems like a fair deal to me. These recommendations serve to hold accountable those who would break that deal.

What's really bizarre is that MRAs read some insidious motive into the higher education gender gap. At first blush, it seems like young men are just not as interested in going to college for what looks like a variety of reasons that arise as soon as kindergarten. So, the higher education gender gap is driven by,…

This line of thinking has to be coming from MRAs masquerading as feminists, right? I'm assuming that's what you mean by "sock puppets".