As an anti-Trump, former Republican: do you think that there is some degree of flat out exhaustion Republicans must feel over him? I mean, it has to be as exhausting for your children to hate you as it is for us to hate our parents, haha.

Yeah losing is simply not an option. We can’t be ok with losing with anyone to establish a convenient narrative. If we lose this one, we can kiss the courts goodbye - ALL the courts, even in your liberal circuits. Free and fair elections (well, as free and fair as they have ever been at least) will be a thing of…

Yeah I think she is being 100% authentic. She doesn’t sound like she is reading poll data and honing her message based on that (I mean she might be, but she doesn’t sound like it at least).

Ugh they keep saying Karens (Boomer suburban white women) are the new swing voters. :(

I mean, this Toxicity dude doesn’t know any more about the future than any of us, but I’m not sure losing will exactly help the progressive cause. It’ll just mean more “see progressivism doesn’t work!” narratives going forward. At least right now, Bernie’s 2016 fans can tell themselves he would have beaten Trump.

LOL I am constantly playing “would-you-rather” with this field, and the “centrist/moderate would-you-rather,” I think I pick Klob because she’s vicious.

Ugh watch out for Michael Bloomberg! (Although he’s doing a few things that I think are good for the Democrats as a whole)

So if I’m reading this correctly, and what you are telling me is you will not show up for anyone but Bernie, you are literally saying the nominee (if not Bernie) is not going to do any more damage than Trump. If that’s what you’re saying, you and I don’t have anything to talk about. (apologies for the late response…

(Apologies for the super late response). Liz is my first choice. On paper, Bernie’s policy platforms are a little more aligned with mine, but the tipping point for me is that I trust Warren to get into office and be the most effective (I also trust her more to center women-centric issues). I see her getting more done…

Gotcha. We all drink and comment sometimes :) (I’m aware this is late haha).

(I know I’m super late on this) To be fair, the negative campaigning will write itself about all of them, haha.

By all expert accounts, live births following abortions are not actually a thing that happens,

PREACH.

The Senate map was conservative-leaning - many vulnerable Democrats were up and not many vulnerable Republicans. We had a net loss of Senate seats. That’s...not something I made up. And popular vote numbers for president only matter if they land in certain spots. Hence, being electable or not. “Elected” is the…

Just realized how sad my “great hope” is hahahaha.

Fair enough. FWIW you’ll see me having similar conversations about that downthread.

Well they have little interest in helping black people either, but they at least go through the motions of trying to court their votes and pretend they’re going to. With the left they go, “GET OUTTA HERE WE DON’T EVEN NEED YOU” (while blaming the left for Hillary’s loss - go figure!).

Yeah, my great hope is that they’ve given the word no meaning to the point that it doesn’t matter anymore. If Democrat = socialist, then Democrats will just be more comfortable with the word “socialist” (I hope). Haha.

Wait, so you’re saying why am I not harping on the people Bernie’s fans are victimizing? I’m confused.

Well it has been an effective weapon in the past - I mean, look at how conservative our Democratic Party has gotten just trying to avoid that label - but I agree it’s stupid and they use it all the time.