Or even, like, I’ve been attacked as if I am anti-Bernie for just recognizing when he does something stupid or bad. And I’m not anti-Bernie. But any mention of a potential problem spot makes people get fucking nuts.

LOL yeah, I actually acknowledged this in a later comment downthread haha.

More people than Bernie would try. Obama tried, too.

Yeah exactly. There are a few very minor fronts in which I probably ideologically align with Bernie more than her, but hands down I think she’s going to make the most progress in that office.

Ah, hadn’t seen that particular polling. Interesting to note. I’ve been saying this for years - they’re going to call Joe Biden a socialist. Might as well actually elect one if we’re going to have to wear that scarlet letter anyway...

I was thinking this exact thing the other day. I like Bernie - he’s my second choice, probably. But like...guys....if you think he can live up to the expectations you’re placing upon him...even if we win EVERY questionable Senate seat and the House...guys....it’s not going to turn out like you think. (Personally, this…

LOL sorry!

Ok good point about the states (and some of that was about the conservative-leaning map that year). But, nationally, a “centrist” is still unproven (and really, no one agrees on what that term means so it’s hard to define, but I mean it to be like, run-of-the-mill, takes corporate donations, pleases everybody white…

I am probably more of a Bernie fan than you, but I agree about his supporters. Anyone reading this who likes to just....I dunno, attack anyone who is not with you: do not underestimate the power of emotion when people vote. And if you are the one making people feel terrible, ask yourself whether you’re helping get…

Look I want to have the hope too, and we should, but this from Margary is pretty pie-in-the-sky:

They’d stay home.

Seriously - I am sick of hearing that we need to court those in the middle/who might vote for Trump. You could estimate like 30% of the base is further left than the Democratic Party. Can you not fucking pander to us at all? Why do they tell us to fuck off and tell Republicans to come on in?

Yep - it’s always two choices.

I cannot understand why there are so many people who have drank the koolaid about how only “moderate” (which is a myth) candidates are viable. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IF THEY WERE VIABLE THEY’D HAVE WON MORE.

I think literally Satan would be a fine president in contrast to Trump.

What she said before is not mutually exclusive to what she’s saying now; however a lot of people clearly read into it that she wouldn’t vote for Biden, so here she is correcting it and using her influence to make sure people understand what is important. Damned if she does, damned if she don’t, huh?

I generally agree, and that makes sense from my personal perspective, but there are a lot of voters who like Biden and the time has passed to chalk that fully up to name recognition (we also have to be careful not to erase/patronize the southern black voters who seem to like him). LOL honestly I think it would be…

Fucking thank you. Maybe some key people will listen because it’s AOC. I’m over the stupid petty fighting. If you can’t see the big picture here, I have no fucking time for you.

And if it could somehow administer a tranquilizer....

LOL no, it’s like competent children sued to try to get power of attorney over their elderly demented father who keeps committing crimes and lost, and now he’s just running amok.