Crime: ran a stop sign and hit car without causing injury.

The Volt is what I thought of right away. It’s a phev only in the sense that it has a plug and engine, but will operate as an EV with its own, self powered, on board charger.

One more aspect to consider is that Toyota does not do their own distribution. They have outside distributors getting vehicles to dealers and in the south the distributor is able to mark up the vehicle before the dealer can mark it up. So you have 3 sets of profit on an in demand product and as a result the consumer…

CX-5 doesn’t have a hybrid option so I’d bet a lot of people aren’t even looking twice due to that. The CR-V is hard to find as well, from what I can tell. I’d probably agree that the current Rav is the least impressive but it is one of the few with a AWD hybrid option that is not much more than normal models.

Toyota dealers have massive waits for everything that is a hybrid it seems. Trucks languish while Siennas are rare to find. 

It seems most automakers introduced expensive options of vehicles shaped like what most customers would buy (trucks/SUV). They built in profit like they read about Tesla having, despite knowing Tesla doesn’t have to share any of its potential profits with dealers. Released the models in a time of excessive dealer…

After the media update I will agree that this car is 2-3 years out at most. Since it will be a hybrid, phev is still tbd it seems, and share platform with the civic  Honda will have a much easier time spreading costs for a lower volume coupe.

I was being a little sarcastic, but Honda has not shown any of their own EV tech. They are currently relying on GM and have a partnership with Sony that has not produced much more than its own concept. So how long will they actually need to tool up a whole EV platform and roll out a new car on it? Less than 4 years…

I know right I’ll probably be in the market around 2030 when this will be released for production.

I think a lot of this has to do with the pace at which interest rates rose. Even without inflation I think it’s hard to overcome the loss in buying power going from 5-6% average new car interest rates to 9-10%.

Surveys have recently said that over 80% of Americans think new car ownership is out of reach. Considering 20% of 330 million is still 66 million it seem automakers are just making the conscious choice to not care about 80% of the population and hope that they can build enough margin into the fewer cars they sell to…

As I understand it the Bolt was designed from the start as an EV. It still uses a mostly traditional car mindset but with a different sort of fuel and powertrain. I wouldn’t expect the Bolt to be any worse than a similar Chevy at that price point. Unless I am mistaken the Bolt seems to have a better reception than the…

I think some of that is coming with “gigacasting”. Seems other automakers are looking at this besides Tesla. If reports are true they will be cheaper to build and sell (if consumers see any of that or it just remains profit we will see) but minor accidents will soon balloon in cost.

You can’t get the tax credit unless you lease a Hyundai due to its country of assembly. Even then they won’t let you combine incentives, so it’s either purchase for $5000 off + whatever the dealer takes off or lease for $7500 + whatever the dealer takes off. The current owner rebate can be added depending on trim.

It’s not unless you lease.

Seems like an opportunity for the floor plan provider to extend a line of credit for the tax incentive and the dealer just pays it off in rolling increments once the gov pays.

That’s what I am seeing too. I’m pretty sure if you aren’t getting $4-5k off from the dealer before you step on the lot you are a fool too easily parted from their money! Who is paying such high prices that $10k discounts are averaging out to just $2-3k in ATP!

“It’s a little strange when you consider the fact most cars put those sorts of indicators in the mirror themselves, but what do I know?“

I wonder how easy it is to see the specs and charging times then assume that even if they don’t charge at home they can just treat it like a gas car. EVs make a lot of sense for certain people, but you also have to wrap your mind around the EVness and escape the same thinking of ice vehicles.

I wonder what percent of the first owners saw the crazy markups/demand and sold to get their share of the craziness. Maybe we are seeing the consequences of so many flips gone bad, but I doubt it.