*sigh* Yes, clearly none of us internet commenters are directly silencing her, as if any of us were in a position to do so. That wasn’t really my point. My inital point, which does seem to have gotten a bit lost in all this, is that I really take umbrage to the whole “so-and-so isn’t 100% objective on x topic, so…

Oh yeah, and not even just once. But, can you even imagine, I’m not completely objective on the subject (by the why, who exactly is just completely objective, non-feeling about child rape? hmmm?), so I better just sit those conversations out. Even though most of those types of people like to play at being outraged but…

It is a very well executed hoax, if you check the url it is ABC.com.co. They created corroborating pages and such, which make it super realistic. The comments section looks like they are real reactions though (which may be the goal).

Just based on what goes on our animal evolutionary ancestors, I think it’s pretty safe to say that raping and abducting women goes back to even before we first started creating art.

Okay, gotcha.

I’m sure she has dealt with this with her therapists. I’m not really sure what you mean by “looping victims in.” No one is suggesting that they have ongoing contact with their abusers. But if you only studied abusers working solely from their perspective, you’d be missing out on a lot because they very, very…

Right, that’s why I think why not take this avenue and study this aspect of sexuality and deviancy. At worst we don’t know anything more than we do now, but maybe we learn something.

I mean I get that for most people it is normal and healthy and fine. I’m talking about abusers where it is clear that the porn is part of their cycle/pattern of abuse. I don’t know if I’m being clear or if I can without laying out and describing some pretty disturbing shit. Like, I guess I just mean that a lot of…

The analogy would be in the effect on the rapist. Porn affecting attitudes and expectations towards and of sex and women is not considerably outside the norm of how most people use/experience it.

I get where you’re coming from, but part of me really hates this type of argument because I’ve had it used against me in semi-related discussions having to do with statutes of limitation on child sex abuse. Literally, I’ve been told that my opinion on the need to eliminate the statute of limitations on CSA is not…

Yeah, why would we listen to the victims instead of the 10 million rape apologists in this thread pearl-clutching about porn being taken away

What the fuck is this? “We leave her be?” You don’t like what she’s saying, but because she’s already a victim, you will “leave her be?” If she was just a “normal” woman speaking her fucking truth about pornography, you would attempt to silence her? What the fuck did you even mean here?

Well, you’re right about that. It’s just you.

I don't think you've synced everything up appropriately in that analogy but I also don't know what's wrong with that scenario

Also, people were drawing lewd pictures round about the time we managed to stand on two limbs.

Nah, that’s a perfect starting point. It’s not a good ending point, nor is it a good main point, but given that the starting point for many people in that space is “This hurt me personally, might it be bad in general?”, porn-as-rapist-manual is a fantastic impetus for that thought process.

So the people who suffer the worst personal damage from any kind of vice that, I assume, you enjoy are not allowed to talk about their own experience? That seems extreme in the other direction.

I don't think anyone's experience precludes them from making a valid argument

There are many Worlds of Porn. Some are absolutely dangerous to women — those women who appear in them and those whose male [boyfriends, captors, rapists, stepfathers, uncles et al.] are “inspired” by them. People getting off as consensual adults is the best case scenario of porn, but it’s sure as fuck not the only…

It is shocking how bright and articulate she is, especially given what she went through. She seems to have gotten very capable help, which is wonderful. I’m glad she is able to live a normal life. She’s certainly got an excuse for struggling, but she doesn’t appear to be.