The Holden Commodore was so damn good, it was mentioned TWICE in the article.

‘69 Charger guy some how trying to shoehorn a ‘69 Charger into the conversation. Color me surprised.

Yeah, that’s not a Guilty Pleasure car, that’s a car everyone loves.

This kind of crap turns up everywhere. Mostly designed in a vacuum with a bunch of back-patting and attaboys.

Blame the commercial/fleet market for that, not “America’s stigma against vans”. That ultimately was the van’s bread and butter. The private passenger version was always an afterthought and honestly unless you really really preferred it’s size there was little compelling reason to buy one over a traditional minivan. 

Did this really have many advantages over a typical minivan like a Pacifica, Sienna, or Odyssey? From an outsider, it seems it was just ever so slightly smaller, not close to as nice/refined, and not really that much cheaper. Looking at every other market segment, that doesn’t seem to be a winning combination.

Back in 2005, my wife’s car got wrecked and was in for a LENGTHY repair. The dealer gave us a loaner for a while because the delay on their end caused the insurance company to lose interest in covering a rental. I told the body shop manager that my wife drove ~40K mi/yr and he wasn’t concerned. When I called later to…

Yeah almost certainly a loaner. I see that a lot now. I don’t know what would possess someone to buy a loaner. Desperation, maybe. 

Ive come across dealers using their own in house stock photos. That is the second wave of shitty dealer.

If you have the time to wait for an order, the whole process is now entirely about a car’s quality and the dealership experience. If a dealer doesn’t use MSRP as the standard, they are easy to cut out of the search (at least in our large metro).

I used Tom’s service recently and it was awesome! $500 well spent for the amount of time and energy I didn’t have to spend tracking down a dealer with an allocation and the willingness to sell at MSRP. Highly recommended.

I’d rather do it in a John

Very cool post - thanks Tom!

Some dealers can sell their loaners as “new” because it never got sold to begin with. So it becomes a used car with new pricing & finance. If that RAV4 is legit, it’s probably sitting on 40k+ miles for barely less than the 2022s in the same listing.

I think GM bested Ford in their design of the Silverado/Sierra, and mostly for 4 reasons:

I like it!

Ugh. How could I have left off the Grenadier’s best option?

“You care because you want a fashion item.”

You’re nuts if you think anyone is cross shopping this with a Model 3. This is a statement piece for people with so much money that it doesn’t matter how much it costs. It’s all about the exclusivity, which is obviously something the Model 3 lacks.

That said, I’m not defending this thing. I think looks half baked for a…