Also, we need the Electoral College to do their job and refuse to vote in accordance with how the states elections ended.

Well sure, but blaming third parties just because the margin falls within the vote totals received by third party candidates is a pretty facile argument. There are other factors that are much more significant. For example, Clinton badly underperformed among union support by 10 points vs. 2012:

Yep, and this one’s a Republican. If my only two choices were Trump or Kascich, I could live with Kacsich.

A case could be made for either, I suppose. I tend to prefer oligarchy, because it takes into account the political class, who are wealthy, but generally their wealth is derived from their power, not the other way around. Plus, of the economists I’ve read that have addressed this, two out of three use oligarchy (Simon…

Or the good old, “Pics or it didn’t happen.”

Yes, absolutely. This should really be a bigger story. So far Greenwald has been about the only one reporting on it. I really don’t understand why no other investigative journalist is looking into it, especially when Kobach is on the Trump team.

That somewhat depends on how low his approval rating goes, but otherwise I agree.

Right, I completely agree with that, recounting a machine count that has been tampered with is unlikely to change the results. But there is a process to initiate a recount. I don’t know that there is one to do an audit unless it’s initiated by the state.

Waukesha County was the site of a lot of suspected voting irregularities during the Walker recall election and his re-election, also, if I remember correctly. No surprise that they’re one of the counties that refused to do a hand-recount.

Yep. He might not be much better on Freedom of the Press, though. He tried to create a government-run news service in 2013 to limit press access.

Personally I’m glad someone initiated the recounts, hopefully this may shed some sunlight on the vulnerabilities of our voting systems. Plus Waukesha County is a snake-pit of Walker operatives, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if there was some vote-rigging there.

Also the 45% of people who stayed home, which many of those Stein voters would have likely added to had she not been on the ticket. Blaming third parties is an easy scapegoat.

I don’t really disagree at this point, although if our democratic institutions and system of checks and balances - which have already been severely weakened over the last 40 years - do not hold, we may look back and wish we had opted for the possible Constitutional crisis instead.

I don’t think it’s that far-fetched either. Some people say Pence would be worse. Pence is awful, but his views are mainstream Republican awful and he’s probably a bit more predictable. He is less likely to do some populist things that go against GOP orthodoxy.

I believe you’re correct. But I think the Colorado electors who want to challenge the state law as unconstitutional are separate from these seven? I’m not sure. Probably not a chance in hell.

We are all about to find out what happens when oligarchs are allowed to run the system. Trump appears to be promoting a brazenly kleptocratic agenda. If there ever was a time for Hamilton Electors, this is it (so far there are seven).

I guess that might explain his preternatural ability to cyber?

I’m convinced that the only reason Obama won in 2012 was that they were able to successfully head off the GOP’s efforts through an army of poll watchers, having a better data game (Narwahl vs. Orca), and with the help of Anonymous:

but [Carter] helped lay the ground work for theme of American self interest that ironically leaves us more vulnerable in the region.

But as long as we get cute staged bear-petting videos on YouTube, who cares, right? When most thinking people saw that video, they thought to themselves, “this isn’t going to end well.”