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The problem probably isn’t the engineers, but rather all of the different management teams who give the engineers ridiculous, conflicting directions and requirements.

Oh, that’s even worse. How were they ever supposed to make any money at $21K MSRP.

So, a TVR Cerbera, basically?

I am going to disagree on the rear cameras and emergency breaking. I think they are great for tools for any driver.

Well now my eyes are fkd up!

Added benefit: You probably won’t be crippled, left in a vegetative state, or crushed into goo that has be picked up with spoons and sponges if you screw up doing math with calculators or by hand.

Yes, if they survive it, they can become better drivers

when i was in school my teachers made me do math by hand because i wouldn’t have a calculator with me all the time when i was grown up.

i mean best of luck to your kid, but hard disagree. 16-17 year olds have double the rate of accidents than any other age group, have the highest injury rate, and are basically tied with the elderly for highest fatality rate. telling your kid “hey I could protect you more but you need to learn the hard way” is not good…

Brand loyalty is a mental disorder.

Good to see the community and factory  return to normal after the massacre.

Excited to finally get a new Forza. I’ve only got two requests:

Remember when Dodge built an Avenger sedan rally car? No one else does, either. That was a weird one to me.

Back in the day, I drove a two tone blue 76' LTD Brougham, with a 460 4bbl, disc brakes and a 32 gallon gas tank. One spring snow morning commute, on tires I mistakenly hoped would make it till fall, I put a wheel on the shoulder, which was covered with a couple inches of the heaviest wet gook I’d seen as a young…

This one:

I actually think both the 200 and Dart were underrated and were hurt by Chrysler’s previous lousy reputation. Too bad, because it was their last try to sell some smaller, less expensive sedans.

The thing for me, is why are you getting a sedan. A compact should fit back seat passengers without pain, a mid size comfortably, and a full size with room to lounge. The 200 was a compact trying to be a mid size.

Can I just say one thing? I’m standing here staring at rock legend, Bruce Dickenson, and if Bruce Dickenson says we should give him more cowbell, we should probably give him more cowbell!