Ultimately, I do support the idea of a free market where you have dealers and manufacturers doing what they want. My view is a nuanced one; I understand how things are currently operating and what needs to happen to change them... since I don't think there's enough political will at this point to do anything I think…

Interesting. Where did you find this information that Tesla doesn't want to profit off of a business operation?

It's called voting out the guys that take dealer money. If they don't want to vote those guys out, they get what they deserve.

I agree! Dealers can be really bad.

I'm sorry. Where did you see me arguing against direct sales models?

Democrats are taking dealership money too. Promise.

Dealer laws are not Anti-Telsa... they are pro-dealership. Musk allows a dealer model and he can sell everywhere. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS BEST FOR THE CONSUMER. I am saying Musk wants to change the world and he can make a stand if he so desires, it's his company, but everyone characterizes this as somehow a political…

I don't deny Musk anything. But he is a big headed, egocentric baby... that's based on all of his whining and the moral imperative of EVs as he likes to characterize it. I actually think the man is brilliant. But also a fucking arrogant asshole. Just my opinion man.

So you prefer Tesla's corrupting influence to the dealers? Fine with me. My choice would be if the people have the political will, they change it, otherwise it's obviously not that big of an impact from their perspective.

it does not hinder Musk from selling cars in the state under a dealership model! what dealer would agree to build a Tesla dealership with the express intent of NOT selling the cars?

Calm down. You missed the point. It is an equal playing field, anyone that wants to sell cars has to do it the same way, therefore, no one has an unfair advantage. I already said that, however, this may not be the best for the consumer! Did you see that? So thanks for telling me how seedy dealers can be! Does anyone…

The fact that you conveniently ignore is that the market clearing price for a vehicle is not set by the dealer or the manufacturers.

I thought I was clear that i was not arguing for the current system of laws...

Your assumption that the law is broken is debatable, but it doesn't really matter, obviously enough people don't perceive it as broken for their to be any movement around dealership reform.

When enough people get pissed off about it, it will change. Not because Elon is throwing a hissy fit and refusing to play along. I no more want Elon's money influencing legislation, than I do the dealers.

It's not a new thing man. The legislation setting up these dealer laws has been around for decades. Like I said, I really could care less if the laws are changed, I don't necessarily think the status quo is good or that direct sales is bad... But I don't think the laws are "anti-Tesla" either, they've been around…

That's not really a correct translation. Did you read the part where I said, if citizens have the political will to change it, they will? Every problem is not as big as you might think it is from your perspective. Common folks really don't sit around thinking about how to grassroots organize dealership legislation…

That is the most ridiculous and incorrect characterization of what I said that you could possible come up with. Go sit in the corner.

The overhead from having buildings, salesmen, part counters, service centers does not go away in the direct model, it is simply shifted to the manufacturers who will, I f'n guarantee you, try to make a profit at their "direct sales" stores. You don't start a new line of business without profitability goals.

Stop with the anti-Tesla bullshit. No one is stopping Tesla from selling cars anywhere... Tesla simply has to play by the rules. Of course, Musk's giant ego will not allow that, he must have it his way, or not at all (even if his direct sales idea is good and might be better for consumers he's still being a stubborn…