And yet, here we are buying new ND Miata for more money with less power because it got the powertrain right enough to make the car feel faster and more willing than a Toybaru. 

They should keep the base n/a engine for all the people who bitch about people bitching about lack of power and let the rest of us buy the turbocharged version. Drive a Toybaru back to back with an ND Miata and anyone will tell you the Toybaru needs something, probably more power. It just lacks the…

Have you driven an ND with 181 hp? It is and feels significantly faster than the Toybaru does with 200hp. The engine is also WAAAAAY better. The Toybaru engine is kind of a dog in terms of power delivery and powerband, and even just eh plain old enjoyment factor. I think the newer ones are better, but still. The ND…

And while that’s impressive, the most impressive trick an F1 driver can do is dial the mechanical sympathy way up and cause way less tire & brake wear than a punter like you and I, yet only lose a fraction of their lap time... and obviously still be so much faster than us even though we think we are on the limit.

But then you’d have to drive a Mustang when you needed a break from driving a Mustang 

“respond with a rambling, unhinged” well, to quote my favorite rambling and unhinged internet commenter (I’m talking about you) that’s the definition of “pot calling the kettle black.”

Kinja mistake, it duplicated one of the pasted images and deleted the wrong one. Below is what I was trying to post for 2019. If we were weathermen looking at the same facts we’d just have to wait until the weekend to see who misinterpreted them. Unfortunately we will probably have to wait until 2025 for this debate.…

EXACTLY! In 5 years all the performance numbers will be meaningless anyways. But at car that’s a joy and involving to drive on day 1 will the just as joyous and desirable in 5, 10 or 20 years.

All companies evolve, I fully agree. But the original F1 was really a Gordon Murray project and not part of a McLaren road car program. It was basically a team he hand picked to build that car and that was later disbanded. They did some contract work for Merc on the SLR later but really this was the end of that…

*until you start looking under the skin

9x9 = 81 is a fact that is not open for interpretation. What we are talking about is more like a being a weatherman. They have many facts at their disposal, but the conclusions are far from certain or reliable beyond a percentage. Many weathermen disagree with each other’s conclusions. Again, life. The fact set you’ve…

Are ZHP still a thing at that price? One went for $20k on BAT the other day. Granted thats a coo coo price, but still. 

I wonder what he’s going to do when he sees 6.25 mile on the odo after a test drive. Ask them to venmo him a dollar? 

Bummer they couldn’t have spent their 4,000 man hours just making a Senna into an actual race car rather than just a tarted up version of a car that was a tarted up version of the same old carbon tub and same old v8 they use in... literally everything. 

No one should be so dumb as to buy a fake race car track toy that’s so rare they cannot track it.

They are?!!! That’s a crime against racing. You wouldn’t let a group of guys with very expensive semi-replica uniforms march in a veterans parade would you?

Or you could buy a real race car for way less and actually compete.

It’s not so generic once you look under the skin. Same basic tub/architecture and engine being repurposed again and again... McLaren are quite good at adding and subtracting 5% power and carbon bodywork to make a “new special edition”

Or maybe they make a race car and go out and compete if they really wan to to honor the f1's legacy... Truth is that the McLaren making the Senna today is virtually unrelated to the company who made the F1.

McLaren is too busy selling special editions of fake race cars to make real race cars at this level. These are the absolute antithesis of the car they pay tribute to