Marketing isn't another word for existing. Marketing yourself is another word for existing. Everybody does that. Do you know how someone does that professionally? By being famous. Being famous isn't a real job and it is quite literally being paid to exist while famous.

Nah.

"These people train in their arts, but don't you think she's trained in hers? " No I don't, and the reason she isn't respected is because other people don't think so either. We have no reason to believe she's practiced to be an interesting reality tv show personality, and idk if she has another show, but the rest of…

And do you really want to argue for her being feminine culture and lifestyle, and actors, athletes, comedians and everything else to be masculine? If what she does is feminine culture then what's masculine culture? Acquiring skills and contributing to the world?

Well for women celebrity makes men more attractive. So you can build a boy band based on attraction, because them being famous AND good looking, makes them more attractive than any man they will meet in every day life. That point about the idols working for the people is so interesting. I understand how that would be…

Magicians, comedians, actors, athletes, writers, musicians, being these things actually requires skill and practice, and many of them do create things. I'm fully aware she entertains people. People are entertained by her existence. It's not that she just doesn't serve some necessary function in a society, it's that…

You must have missed my actual comment. "Actual models exist though, and although from the outside it seems to be about having and then maintaining the right look to pose for a living, there is some skill in being able to interpret someone's vision and help them see it through. Getting your picture taken is not a…

Let's not go bashing kanye by association :D . I don't love everything he makes, but he's different than her because he actually makes things. He's made a lot of things people love, and he intends to make more. He's an artist, that can't be taken away from him.

Wow that is incredibly interesting. I wonder why it doesn't work in America. The young pretty girls with a career, seem to be idolized and supported by younger girls rather than men. And the boy groups making a career out of being attractive to girls, are also supported by almost entirely girls.

I don't think a convincing argument can be made for the immense skill it requires to maintain her position. And her position, is to be famous for being famous. You can say that not everyone has what it takes to do it, or to do it for long for whatever reason, could be looks or a poor supporting cast, but I don't think…

Anybody can sing, to be a singer requires skill and practice. This is the first I'm hearing of her producing so let me know if that's where she's making her living. Acting also requires skill and practice. If people believed her to have skill at singing, acting, producing, even managing, we wouldn't be having this…

I've been wondering so much about that lately. Are the idols in japan intended to be for men and boys? Both boys and girls?

I hear you, but when it comes to letting kids watch what they want, even if you talk to them about certain things, the child might simply internalize these things anyway, but know that they shouldn't have. So they'll grow up with certain feelings that they know to be incorrect, because even a good discussion couldn't…

Thank you as well! And I understand how the phrasing could bother you. I think on some level people might hear that and think of parents who simply don't let their children pursue their own interests, rather than parents who don't want their children to be influenced by certain things. I think there are some parents…

Some guy gets paid tens of millions of dollars to catch a ball better than tens of millions of other guys that wanted his job. You say TV star but is she an actor? You say records music but is she a singer? A writer? A producer?

I've frequently been given the impression that it's more about shielding women from any criticism, and maintaining the idea of a culture that works against them. This is still odd though, because people criticizing kim kardashian for not having any skills or for not contributing, is basically the opposite of the…

Good luck to you. And I think being raised to want more than to be famous for being famous, and hopefully valuing more about themselves than their looks, is something they and the people they meet will be grateful for. A lot, if not most girls don't get that when they're growing up.

Absolutely true, and I think those are necessary bigger conversations for this person to have with their daughters, but I think trying to avoid having them looking up to women like her isn't necessarily wasted effort either. MaskedGuest likely hopes they'll look up to other women instead. And it's definitely not a…

I'm less concerned with them implying she's a victim of our sexist culture(when she's really a huge beneficiary of a culture that values women primarily by their looks and applies less importance to other things), and more concerned with the idea that doing nothing for a living is feminine culture and lifestyle???

To be fair, parents not letting their kids take in ideas or notions they don't agree with is what parents are suppose to do. If you don't like something, for fear of how it will influence your kids, then you shouldn't let your kids play or watch. Better than blaming other people.