I consider the ability to emit pollution free of charge that costs other people a significant sum via health or environmental effects to be a huge subsidy.

Hell, I recently visited a site where the US produced a LOT of uranium fuel for reactors.  It cost the federal government an insane number of billions of dollars to…

The EPA report you link to is HIGHLY misleading when you try to spin it as you have.

First off, they’re only considering direct subsidies. Ok - but what about indirect subsidies? Here are a few examples of such subsidies that aren’t included:

* security provided for protection and transport of supplies
* federal coverage…

This is critical, the researchers note, because assuming EV buyers are replacing vehicles with average fuel economy would overstate the environmental benefits EVs have had by 27 percent.

1st:  Just bring back the Subaru BRAT.

People are stupid, because they’re buying trucks that they almost never use as trucks when a more efficient minivan/hatch/sedan combined with renting a truck the rare times they need one would be much more efficient.

But the Ranger and F-150 don’t cost about the same. For example, a RWD XLT crew cab Ranger runs…

It’s all about the battery cost.

The Mid-range Model 3 comes with a 62 kWh battery pack, which means the battery alone still costs them near $12,500. That’s just the battery. You still have to add in inverters, electric motors, cooling system, charging system, etc.

Now, if you go down to a hybrid, the batteries are…

For your amusement:

Have you tried the current Camry with a 4 cylinder? I’m fine with 4 cylinders in general, but I had one of these as a rental recently - damned thing was not just slow, it was horrendously unpredictable. You could hit the gas on the road one time and it would respond ok, then as you’re merging onto the freeway, you…

I wonder how much of the Prius’ drop can be attributed to the new Insight - its a hell of a lot better looking, it has considerably more passenger space, gets the same 52 mpg combined, but seems to come in about on par with the Corolla on price - several thousand less than the Prius....

A Corolla is more like $4k less than a Prius, not $6k anymore.

An Insight comes in between the two on average - though local dealers here are offering them at $20-21k, or essentially equal to the Corolla in cost. But they come with the mpg of a Prius and considerably more passenger space.

1st:

It would help if the Prius wasn’t ugly as sin.

Hybrids should dominate the market for awhile, IMO, though EVs will eventually take over. Dropping prices for batteries helps hybrids just as it does EVs. Consider the Prius, which uses just a 1.3 kWh battery. If you can get the costs to $200/kWh, where GM and Tesla…

Buddy, I do exactly what I’m talking about for a living. I’m not the only one.

Commodity suppliers rarely do ANY work on their own, because the profit incentive isn’t there. You have to tell them what to do, which means you do the work on developing the material.

I mean, ffs, a simple patent search will show you other…

Do you understand what a commodity is?

And no, they don’t have to pay suppliers for development. It’s no different than when Ford turns to Flex-N-Gate for production of Focus bumper covers and gives them a design to manufacture. Firms design raw materials ALL the time and then tell suppliers how to make them. The…

I’ve been on plenty of flights, and has NEVER been mentioned once as a requirement of any sort.

Sorry your narcissism puts your convenience above anything else. 

1) It’s a false conclusion that companies can’t demand suppliers produce exactly to their needs.

2) It’s also a false conclusion that other companies have to pay suppliers for development - or that doing so would necessarily cost any more than Hyundai absorbing those costs internally.  There are a thousand ways to work…

There’s no rule that you’re restricted to only your bag in the overhead and must put the personal item under the seat.  You’re fabricating rules to fit your desires that others should have to pay more so you can get exactly what your selfish ass wants.

Not necessarily. I’ve worked in industries where there are vertically integrated and non-vertically integrated companies. It isn’t quite so simple. A vertically integrated company may well end up with a higher weighted cost of capital than a supplier for a commoditized material. There also is often a significantly…

Not necessarily. I’ve worked in industries where there are vertically integrated and non-vertically integrated companies. It isn’t quite so simple. A vertically integrated company may well end up with a higher weighted cost of capital than a supplier for a commoditized material. There also is often a significantly…

The fact that others aren’t vertically integrated doesn’t mean that they aren’t able to get materials that are just as good from their suppliers.

On the size bloat thing:

Compare a 2019 Yaris to a 1987 Corolla or Camry.  It’s almost identical in passenger and luggage volume with the Corolla, and the Camry is barely any bigger.  The 2019 Corolla is WAY bigger than the 87 Camry for interior volume.