Should watch the head to head between the new SS and the M4. Numbers wise the cars are the same, but subjectively the Camaro takes the cake on being a better drivers car.

There really is no denying the PDK box is a truly impressive bit of machinery.

well lets be real here, if you are picking a nissan over a Porsche, you’re a fan boy.

also glass transmission? care to enlighten?

aside the engine in what ways was it more advanced?

and its because Merc and Jag have a history that the Japanese, despite their strong years in the 80's and 90's, just cant match.

So if it was a bogus ticket to begin with why is he footing the bill?

you are certainly in a small minority in that respect.

The Corvette’s existence doesn’t change the fact that the GT-R is still beating cars far more expensive fare.
but is it still? sure the top spec track rat is faster than some but i dont recall the base level cars being all that fast anymore all things considered. and the track pack itself may be faster than the more…

funny i brought that up in my own individual posting.

reason being, at least in my opinion, is that when it was launched it sort of bitch slapped the world. but it doing so it lit a fire under EVERYONES ass where Nissan was content to rest on its laurels. and every other single car manufacturer has gone through at…

What kind of lunatic would want small children?
Now THAT, is the right question.

in truth, you’re point here is completely valid, and Nissan could have (and probably should) yanked the rear seats for more bracing because of that steep buy in.

So open admission here, from day one I’ve never particularly liked the R35 GT-R. it WAS the worst offender in the “i need a bunch of complex systems to go fast” for without them, its a bit of a pig.

however, much as i disliked the car, i could do nothing but respect it because it was truly something to be reckoned…

small children or extra cargo space?

Closer to early 90s nascar if that’s the case, the current cars are identical save the power train and the stickers

It’s hard to say they got away with the LFA considering they couldn’t give them away years after the car came out.

911: near or matching performance for sub base turbo prices.

Wait they still do? What the shit!

Oh you were speaking specifically of toyota, I thought we were being more broad.

ironically both he and Custer spun i believe on their own doing.

Im not sure thats going to cut it in the modern performance wars. everything else from around the world is not only good in one or two categories, but damn good across the entire board.

oh, back in the 60's it was actually valid. its how you got street cars like the Charger 500 and Daytona, the Superbird, and the Ford Aero cars.

back when the rules required homologation

goes to the roots of both sports. although in its earliest years occasional euro sports cars would race along side the locals.