I'm inclined to agree. And also - this is in MARIN.. everyone there has $$$$$$

Obligatory mention that $60k buys you a new mid engine Corvette.

“I just like to see Geoffrey change gears (*Sulu laugh*)!”

It’s ridiculous.

Aaaaaaand the countdown to 2045 has begun 

So wait, Subaru becomes more and more humdrum by the year and Toyota starts making the fun cars?

On one end we have Sony, whose naming scheme is a bit boring, but consistent and easy to follow. On the other you have Nintendo whose names are varied, but at least have some kind of reasoning behind the names that ties to the console’s features (except for Wii and Wii U from what I can tell).

The McLaren P1 has an electric-only mode*, and its electric powertrain is rated at about 177hp. That’s gotta be a bit harder to stupid up.

Corolla mode would be best for most of these owners ...

And it’s not like they handle badly - they really do drive pretty much like an old Mercedes. Heavy, but precise. Nothing this big will ever be a Miata, but much of the US is flat and boring anyway.

Maybe buy him dinner first.

I have said a million times... the Challenger is the last true muscle car and a great grand tourer.  Anyone who wants super great handling can apply elsewhere, its not the intent of the car at all.

Dude, this is more Renault 25 than Mercedes. So really this platform dates back to the 70s

It’s a comfortable car that can be had with a variety of HP flavors. It doesn’t always have to be about “riding on rails” handling. We’re undoubtedly heading towards an electric self driving future, so enjoy these types of cars while you can.

Didn’t the GT-R also launch in 2008? The 370Z launched in 2009.

The Z’s underpinnings can be traced back to the 350Z from 2003, but that’s still newer than the Challenger’s underpinnings.

The frontier though, i think has been around longer.

Jeep?

Because Toyota.

The 4Runner is the only one allowed a pass because, well, who else makes a smaller SUV that is off-road capable and BOF. 

Who’s giving them a pass? Most reviews I read about them point out the dated architecture.

Why is the Challenger called ancient, and yet we give Toyota a pass for almost all of their body on frame vehicles?