And that is precisely because the 2nd and 3rd level of facts necessary to make the pitch will make most voter’s eyes gloss over.

STi powertrain swap *thumbsup*

2nd Gear:

Why, why, why Honda did you have to hit the front of this with your biggest ugly stick?? Interior looks excellent, rear-end pretty good, and 2.0T with manual....but FUGLY front-end. Sad.

Yup. Also own a ‘15 and agree completely. The lines from the grille opening all the way to the A pillar and back don’t flow anymore. The headlamps look droopy. The angles in the front fascia don’t flow to anything. I’d be singing its praises if they had done a very mild facelift like the 10-12 to 13-14.

Orlove,

The vanity and stupidity of this dumbass, no-nothing millenial is staggering. Before younger folk jump at me, I am also a millenial by age. Must be nice to have enough money to be a total nincompoop and have no consequences.

This makes me unreasonably angry. Fuck those people.

How do people put up with that bullshit? No way. Thanks, suburbs.

Came for this. Satisfied.

Ok fair, I live in a pretty darn flat area. You got me there.

AWD a must in the midwest? Sounds like someone has never had a set of Blizzaks.

Except in practice having more automatic things in cars (now adaptive cruise, lane keeping, auto braking, etc) is making drivers less attentive overall. The act of having to manage shifting and the associated mechanics, which become muscle memory, trains drivers to be more attentive to what is around and ahead. You…

With the few people I’ve taught to drive stick, one of first things they say after getting moving is, “wow there’s so much more to pay attention to!”. Yeah, that’s a GOOD thing. Driving manual forces you to at the least, be a more attentive driver, but usually better all around as well because your inputs and…

Cannot even begin to describe out bad of an idea this is for anything but a low-volume luxury car, where assembly tolerances are not an issue as they’re hand-built.

Loud exhaust saves lives. I am keeping people alive every day.

Hmm interesting thought.

Not that the C4 was a beacon of awesomeness, but that poor car.

Way to go, champ. You really helped out the cause with that snark.