the engineers will engineer whatever the customer (state) wants.  if bike lanes aren’t in the budget then you don’t get no bike lanes. 

you are the hero we deserve with the quick follow up! time to close the thread down. lol 

comes with the territory for “large luxury” vehicles but i have no idea why he sold the passat that is paid off if he wanted to save money i guess if it’s truely an “offer you can’t refuse” you gadda do what you gadda do.  

Since the lexus ls was already suggested (that would be my number 1) I would suggest the Infiniti FX. one of the original “luxury sports crossovers” 15 grand may not get you a firebreathing v8 model but there are a few on autotrader. You still get a lot of luxury with a v6 and the same suspension set up. It would be…

the g35/37 was very competitive for its era. the suspension was more squishy on the non S models but a g37s is a great 4 door sports car.

Chevelle 454 SS.   if you had one of these nobody would race you. and then you could always modify the big block for even more power. 

ive had issues with wired systems de-syncing and having to unplug the cable and plug it back in to get a connection again.  It’s happened with multiple phones and multiple cars. So anecdotally wireless has been much more stable in my personal experience.  

History has shown that just about every car made “for the youths”  has been driven exclusively by the old.  Also the ‘average’ new car buyer is 50 years old. so any age younger than that is technically a young buyer.... 

sadly a lot of people would go up to the higher trim level just to get the larger display. if they gave the base model the larger display they would only sell base models. 

bop, slowly bop but you made it. yay. go you! 

I love the 4 runner but i couldn’t pay 50 grand and only get 15 mpg out of that lug. better off buying an older 4 runner as a second vehicle and have something more economical to drive around town. 

all bmw’s are M now yay!

member when people said the same shit about a KIA? Pepperidge farm remembers!

fuck yeah keep the simpsons  references coming! 

well the topic was what would be a better value than a brand new 20,000 car (nissan versa, kia forte, Kia rio , kia soul, Hyundai venue) your still not making a good case for buying an 11 year old tesla ....

Price is too high.  Also no pictures under the car. rust and suspension repairs could still cost you thousands of dollars to keep it on the road. 

Toyota Prius.  More space than a nissan versa, more fuel economy , more power , four wheel disk brakes. More safety features.  It beats a nissan versa or Kia soul in almost every category. 

until the battery goes boom and you are on the hook for a $25000 batter replacement... 

or 4runner.. 

why isn’t everything striking on day one??? maximize the pain as quickly as possible!