First, a lot of women love that type of attention.<— There’s your problem. You are laboring under a bullshit belief. Just because we giggle and squirm does not mean we love that type of attention. That’s just a story you are telling yourself that allows you to harass women with your touches.

Don’t tell us what kind of attention women like.

For every woman who slept with Harvey Weinstein, there were five who were horrified, traumatized, and driven out of their profession. For every one woman who likes this, there are five who hate it. Isn’t it fun when you can just make up statistics that favor your point of view? Or, in other words, isn’t it fun when…

My SIL is hooked on Young Living oils and there are a couple that I honestly love.

He was NOT raising good points. As a gay man I find it difficult to tell if other men are interested in me or even if they are gay. When I am introduced to men in a work setting, should I just grad their body parts and see how they react? No? Why not?

As a guy that has had quite a bit of experience “pursuing women”, I can help you out and sum up the answer to any questions one might have.

I’m surprised he hasn’t dismissed any of those comments for breaking the “man code” or whatever the fuck.

Plenty of guys know how to be respectful to women. You’re not all out there like “oh my god this is so confusing, do I grab her tit or treat her like a fellow human and talk about mutual interests?!?!”

VERY. FEW. OF. US. LIKE. THAT. ATTENTION.

Well start with not touching a woman when she’s doing her job.

Nope. If these stories/examples seem like they’re “in a grey area” to you, you’re either a creep, or at best, just part of the problem.

JFC. I am channeling my inner Uma Thurman right now, but I am going to go ahead and presume you are not the goddamn problem you sound like in this post and give you one piece of advice that I hope you will take. I am going to keep it simple so as not to be “perplexing”:

A friend of mine made a FB post about MLM’s and the comments section was immediately clogged with paid posts by some shady internet reputation management firm, talking about how that particular company was WONDERFUL and enabled people to live their dreams, etc, etc, which was red meat to me. It went on for I forget…

And who cares if some women like it anyway?

What I read in your comments is that sense of entitlement/ privilege that cis hetero men feel they have. That makes me upset but I’m trying not to flame you.

hahaha YES!

I live in the suburbs and all this shit is everywhere. Its almost inescapable.

As a guy, it seems to me like there’s a VAST expanse between “never make an advance” and “grab her body” for alternate methods of signalling attraction.

No, men are not left in a Catch 22. Leave people alone. Men don’t “get” women, that implies ownership and that’s exactly what encourages these types of behaviors. And where are you getting this pseudo-statistic that “a lot of women love that type of attention”? Thats gross and wholly untrue.

Please stop. Do not make excuses for this. If you are what you say, you know that these men chose to be this way. People like you are responsible for this not being as stigmatized as it should be.