That's crap and you know it. People have a right for due process, or equality under the law. They do not have a right for pets, boyfriends, friends in general, or children. That does not mean that children should be torn from their parents unless under extreme conditions (a is the situation today), but NO ONE HAS A…

Not having a right to interfere with people's decisions to have kids is not the same at all as HAVING A RIGHT TO HAVE KIDS. Sorry. And as a lawyer you should understand it.

We both know you posted the article to make it look like adoption is a bad option, when in fact it shows that our child welfare system sucks, something you yourself admit I was saying all over.

Cutting and pasting from another post, because this is where I ultimately stand and I think it explains my reaction to bio vs. non bio.

And everyone has the right to have children if they want them.

You are just refusing to accept that we live in a society, and that your individual choices affect others. When someone decides to run an air-conditioner all day, directly contributing to global warming, they are directly contributing also to the suffering, illness and possibly death of people living in Bangladesh,…

I feel sorry for your clients, but I feel strongly that no one has a right for children. There are far worse wrongs in the world than not having children, and I can live with that.

Ok, I officially have a thing for bald men... That was a genius performance

Sorry, you are still comparing the worst excess of the adoption system to make your point. I'm not saying everyone should adopt - but if you are willing to move heaven and hell to have a child, you might as well do it for a real live child, or not at all. That also answers your second, and strawman, argument.

But that doesn't change the fact that (a) you're still going to be a shitty parent if your child does become a drug addict (b) or you underestimated yourself from the get-go, and therefore you are totally able to deal with foster kids. Either way, the moral choice to(a) not have children at all or (b) to adopt.

That was HIM???

I am not saying as a blanket statement that everyone has a moral duty to adopt; just that if you are willing to put years of money and effort into getting a child, you have a moral duty to adopt because if you cannot deal with the problems children have from being in foster care, you cannot deal with the potential…

No it doesn't. All the people in the article adopted from foreign countries where there are very poor controls over adoption, and then ILLEGALLY traded. I suggest you read the article. I'm not suggesting everyone should be an adoptive parent. I'm suggesting people who really badly want children and can't…

I'm NOT talking about easy cases, I'm talking about dealing with a child who is a drug addict or unable to show any affection for biological reasons - they are just as hard to deal with and bond with as some children from foster care (not all - I would have showed so much affection to anyone who would have loved me -…

Nope, I'm definitely NOT. I'm not into policing people's bodies to that extent. I'm talking about the choices facing people who really can't have bio kids.

I never said anywhere ANYONE should be forced into adoption. Like I said, I'm not emotionally ready to take care of a child, and I don't feel particularly ashamed. I do think that if you think you cannot handle the kind of issues that children from foster care have, you are probably not equipped to handle the kind…

Also, it's super manipulative of you to give an article about ILLEGAL adoption as an example of why people shouldn't adopt, especially as I was saying right left and center that we need more funding for child support in general.

With all due respect, I never said it's wrong to want bio children. I suggest that before you tell me to really read this, you should read my comments. But if you can't have bio children for whatever reason, and you are willing to go through great expense and time to get them by other means, then YES I feel people…

I'm really sorry I triggered you, and for the record, I come from an abusive family too, so I get what you're talking about. Only unlike you, no one ever fucking took care of me, so it's up to me, in my thirties, to learn that I deserve to be loved, to learn that I deserve respect.

Honestly, do you really think these people should be parents then? What if their bio children have turn out to have autism, or be bi-polar? What if they have a terrible accident and that makes them very difficult? What's the difference?