Man, what if George had taken some art classes at Yale? Skipped the Skull and Crossbones, went backpacking across Europe, married a girl who wears long skirts and walks barefoot through parks...

There's no statute of limitations on judgment of bad decisions.

No.

Maybe those grandpas should have been smarter with their money.

It's akin to George W Bush finding painting. If only both of them had found their true callings sooner.

This is delightful. I mean, candidate Romney can go scratch, but Grandpa Romney sounds awesome.

Kate.....stand down. She lead Nick on...maybe for the show's sake. These are two ppl, two adults. She told Josh that she loved him from the moment she saw him. There is nothing wrong with that or her sleeping with Nick.

Exactly, had the tables turned, Andi would have been the guy that took advantage of the situation. I'm applying the same logic here.

Don't believe her if you don't want to, but I'd argue that many people believe that having sex with someone is a pretty good way of getting to know them and deciding whether you'd be compatible.

I definitely agree, and I was really frustrated with her insistence that it should be private, because he (at least, according to the Wise Master Chris Harrison) tried to have that conversation with her privately! I don't know, to me, Andi came off as incredibly defensive during her whole conversation with him. It…

I agree. I didn't think he was trying to "shame" her at all. He simply wanted an answer.

I agree, I of course understand that she has the right to make her own choices, but being physically intimate with someone who loves you and you don't feel the same way is cruel. I've called guys out for the same thing.

That's why I call it "sheathing the skin sword."

I have to disagree with this. I have no objections to women having casual, no-strings-attached sex. That's totally fine. But only when BOTH parties know that's what it is. I didn't watch the show, but it seems to me that this guy had very real, deep feelings for Andi, and it's clear from his quotes that this wasn't…

Yes, exactly! I think it's worth bearing in mind that he started his statement with "Knowing how in love with you I was." If he had just said "if you weren't in love with me, I'm just not sure why, why you made love with me?" then yes, I'd say he was trying to embarrass her by saying she's a slut for having sex with…

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All for not slut-shaming, but can we go a little easier on Nick? I feel bad for him. He really loved her and thought he was sealing the deal. It is completely valid for him to feel hurt by her taking things as far as she did. I think she knew for a while that she was picking Josh. Sleeping with Nick wasn't fair to him…

Agreed. I also don't watch the show, but from what was written here, he is communicating that the reason he had sex with her was because he was under the impression, from things she had said and done, that there was an implied future to their relationship. It feels like a slippery slope to coercion, and I think this…

"'First of all, I think that's kind of below the belt. That's something that should be private,' she said," on national television.

I don't think he was trying to slut shame her. I think he was asking why she would do that, knowing how he felt about her, because it would give him hope, or he felt lead on by that. He was clearly vulnerable to her and cared about her a lot. If the roles were reversed I know I wouldn't want to feel like a notch on…