So, that's a crime now?

Ad-hominem? You stay classy!

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No, we don't kill him. You obviously did not read the announcement for Warlords of Draenor on this very site.

Garrosh is being dragged away in chains, awaiting trial for his crimes - but it doesn't work. He hooks up with a Mage who sends him back in time to Draenor.

He wants the movie's audience to feel for the Orc heroes as much as they do the Human ones.

They are the greater evil, yeah, but from the perspective of the observer on Azeroth, they are a less-immediate threat.

They are always the primary villains, with the exception of one expansion - and if you're talking about MoP, the very very convenient TIME MAGE begs to differ.

Explain moral ambiguity in interstellar invasion, evil titan avatar summoning, and murdering women and children and eating their faces.

Not totally, but that's why I said collective.

He was still a total asshole, and yes, Gul'dan manipulated him,
but that wasn't super hard.

That may be true, but it still supports my statement of a massive retcon.

Azshara begs to differ.

Given his choices at the time - I assume you're referring to Stratholme - I don't really blame him for what he did there.

However, getting consumed by revenge and getting baited into merging with Ner'zhul... that's his fault.

But at least we got to kill Arthas, unlike a certain Orc who the writers conveniently hooked…

It's an explanation, but it doesn't excuse what they did.

I played both storylines, and I actually principally played Horde in
competitive ladder play years ago - I was so into it I freaking practically memorized
the manuals cover-to-cover. I know the lore.

But what happened to them doesn't excuse what they did. Just…

I'm not spouting bullshit. It is poorly developed, especially when everything evil they do is excused away with victim crap. It's an easy out for a writer. And anyone who stands against them is basically called racist. Look what happened to Jaina when she seized control of Dalaran - and rightly so, being betrayed!

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I don't see anything to be empathetic about with the particular situation I described.

As I said, if it were you whose family was being murdered, you'd fucking kill whoever was doing it, unless you're a pacifist, in which case, you'd die and they would die anyway.

I'm a Warlock, so, I don't need the blood.

I do know my material. I've been playing the games since the first one came out.

Yeah, I find it hard to support alien invaders as the victims.

Sorry, but you completely forgot The Last Remnant.

Really? They want us to see the Orcs' side? In a storyline that has them as the clear villians, marching through an interstellar portal to commit genocide in the name of their bloodlust and Gul'dan's, Ner'zhul's, and Doomhammer's collective insanity?

They're even going to retcon the original story to fit their mary-sue…