F14Scott
F14Scott
F14Scott

You're right. It doesn't. For that, one must have a minimum level of training (which all BAs and MAs would easily understand; that was my point) to operate the gun, and some forethought into one's own willingness to protect one's self and/or others using force.

So you're equating fighting a war, hunting and killing trained, entrenched soldiers/insurgents in their home country to defending oneself, on one's own turf, against one or two kids who stole some guns?

Agree on the first point. The events are rare. So rare, one might say, that changes to current laws regarding the mentally ill or firearms are unnecessary.

I'm glad "there is." What is it?

The two precautions are not mutually exclusive. I have no objections to lockable doors.

Could the teachers who already faced gunmen in schools have done much worse with a gun than they did without?

You may be right, and their behavior may stem from all kinds of deeply complex factors and issues that I either don't care to or can't understand.

Let the kids run in circles, screaming. Proper control? Really? Teachers unable to defend themselves and their children HAVE NO CONTROL, THEMSELVES. They are at the mercy of the shooter. How safe were the orderly children in Newtown?

Vicki Soto had enough time to shepherd her kids into cabinets and wait for the shooter to come in and kill her. That would have been plenty of time to draw and fire. Honey.

I hear what you're saying on the first part. I do wonder about the unintended consequences of having CCW in school would be, as it relates to escalating violent situations already present in schools. It doesn't seem to be a problem for the SROs (no kids seem to be bum rushing them to take their guns). But, this

My heart is just breaking for their systematic disenfranchisement that leads them to hurt innocent people. Again, clearly beyond the scope of this discussion, but thanks for the psychoanalysis. And for the insults. Nothing says "solid argument" like an ad hominem attack.

Do schools not have lockable doors? (I ask this seriously.) Of course, that only helps classrooms 2 through X. Classroom 1 getting shot up will be the alarm for the other classrooms to lock it down.

What are your friends' names, and what SEAL group(s) were they with? Because, if they told you that, they were talking out their asses.

SROs are great, if you can get them and pay for them. They are expensive, though.

My aim is OK; it's nothing to write home about. I know I could use a handgun to shoot a person from the width of a classroom away. So could just about any person with even the most rudimentary firearms training and practice.

You might be surprised to learn how little firearms training and testing many police officers do, and especially how unprepared most police officers would be in an active shooter scenario, since one needs to practice sound tactics to act offensively against a shooting, suicidal threat. Although, the ones posted in

On first aid: can you cite your source on CPR and/or AEDs hurting more often than helping? Seems like a lot of Red Cross classes and AED machines exist, for them to be more likely to hurt.

Gosh, I never even thought of aiming. Thank goodness you jumped into the discussion. Kickback? You clearly know your weapons terminology, ya know.

Then don't carry one. No one is suggesting teacher CCW should be mandatory, just that it not be prohibited for those who wish to do it. Those so inclined would likely be proficient and willing to engage, and their possible presence in every classroom makes attacking any classroom a much less attractive endeavor.

These are good points. It would certainly be worth a look at the potential negatives of CCW vis-a-vis violent, unpredictable students who are prone to heat-of-the-moment situations, although my initial reaction would be to expel students or disband schools where students exhibit that sort of thuggish, prison yard