"..Why it remains in the mind, really."

Ignore him. Charles Schell seems to have a vendetta at any study showing how culture does influence choice depending on gender. He seems to think that the difference in career paths and investments between genders is chiefly biological in root, as opposed to the alternatives. He is facile, he is a 'Wikipedia Scholar',…

"I also disagree that humans always want to please, as many perfectly reasonable humans don't desire to please. I am fairly certain that your absolutes (humans aren't rational and always want to please, which is a rational behavior in certain circumstances, thus a contradiction) are really just moments dependent on…

"His statement is exactly your opinion of the matter. You just also added that there is a history. You assume he disregarded personal/societal issues. He said a more general statement and you assumed he implied something else."

If he chose to make a general statement then he picked a poor arena in which to do it. I…

Sorry, a minor clarification, just in case: When I said "It passes then that the woman values, in that moment, her appearance more than her ability", what I meant by 'appearance' wasn't 'physical appearance', but 'social/mental appearance' - the acting like a woman (or what the society she's been brought up in deems…

I thought I explained how sufficiently, but I'll try again; First, it's not about what 'first comes to mind'. It's about subconcious cues - like moving away from a person who's eyeing you like a serial killer. In this case, women are more affected by the objectifying gaze (As I am at pains to point out), which makes…

When you say "making a blanket statement," I assume you mean Mr. Shell's initial statement? I don't believe just because a statement is broad means it disregards anything in particular. I believe the statement he actually made, regardless of his actual meaning or intent, does not necessarily disregard historical…

As an aside, as a man, I have no doubt that men's attractiveness is very important for them. In a lot of cases, maybe just as important. But they don't belabour under an understanding that it's the foremost thing that will be judged when facing strangers (for men, it's usually how 'funny' they can be). Until the…

By making a blanket statement, it absolutely disregards it. You cannot ignore the effect that stress from judgement has on performance, because there is -unquestionably- an effect in general (see test anxiety). What's being described in the above study is an example of the stereotype threat, a type of 'test anxiety'…

Women are aware of 'ogling' as their being reduced in the eyes of others. Men don't feel that same stigma, because men don't have nearly near as much of a history (personal or otherwise) of their worth being measured on how 'oglable' (Is that a word?) they are; The subconcious awareness that they're being judged (viz.…

"I find it depressing that men are valued only by their ability to provide and that they're disposable the moment they are unable to do so. Do I believe that? Hell no! Does society as a whole think this way? Yes. Yes it does."

Demosthenes finds it depressing that society expects men to fit into the traditional…

First of all, I want to apologise to you. In my previous post I misread you as saying 'Feminism is a pointless movement because women don't need it, because biology and Sexism is Over.' I realise now that you weren't saying Feminism is pointless because of some assumption that we are still premodern humans, but you…

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@Demosthenes

"Why do you think, in your experience as a biologist, that gender roles existed in the first place?"

As soon as I read this, I knew exactly what you were going to say next. Sure enough, you then proceed to make assertions about a woman's and man's innate biological value, commiting a naturalistic fallacy. I would never…

Demosthenes, you are an anti-feminist (as if that weren't obvious), and you also seem to think feminism is a communist conspiracy (take a look through their comment history). So I'm going to comment here, just once, for the benefit of others reading through this thread, not for you. You're beyond paying attention to…

Given the tone of the article, I'd hesitate to call this sexist against men; 'I'm not 100% sure if maleness = weakness.'
In any event, given that males are usually the more 'expensive' sex to maintain (That is, they require more energy to soldier on, they don't have the genetic redundancy another X-chromosome could…

As a man-scientist - Yes. A thousand times, yes. And can we made Goldacre's 'Bad Science' required reading, too?

When you're willing to commit naturalistic fallacies, you can justify any treatment of human women as being for 'their own good'. 'Hey, chimps have a patriarchal structure, and we're LIKE chimps, right? So back in the kitchen! It's NATURAL for you!' apparently is the de rigeur at Fox News.

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