When we switched from giant gas sucking cars to smaller fuel efficient cars back in the 70-80s they were not MORE expensive, larger, and luxurious than the big gas hogs. They were smaller and cheaper. Something similar needs to happen with EVs.

And if enough maga dudes start shooting at liberal urbanites waiting in line to vote on election day for the panic factor even blue states could go red. 

That was just a practice round. There are way to many angry white conservatives armed and practicing to attack liberals and the government.  

I did not find the trailhunter model yet on the configurator and had lots of off road packages to sort through. so I did this:

I started reading automotive journalism at 18 and remember reading and reading about Denise McCluggage, and reading about women race drivers from Shirley Muldowney, Sabine Schmitz, Jessi Combs, and many others and the struggles they faced with the systemic sexism in racing. I hope that someday there is not an issue…

Yep, older genXer here. I remember the switch from full size vans and station wagons to suvs back in the day. I even remember the first 4 door 4runner I saw.

Some bored day in the future I will play on the configurators for this, the landcrusier version, the jeep rubicon, ford bronco, Ineos Grenadier, land rover defender 110 and see which one would be the cheapest for overlanding and then realize they are all out of my price range and go dive my JKU.

I drove a full sized 88 bronco and a full sized 82 jeep cherokee for work back in the 80s and yes they were kind of thought of as trucks. They were treated like trucks that has a back seat under a topper (cap) that was accessible from the front. The old broncos and blazers and 4runners even had removable backs. Only…

Actually off roading something that expensive would be nerve racking.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a2108816/definition-truck-cafe-loophole-critics-say/

My memory says something about a flat floor???

You are 100% correct in your call it whatever as long as it does what you want. I worry that those of us that actually use the utility of our boxy body on frame SUVs with low range will not have any thing to buy in a few years as all the SUVs will be little hatchbacks with lots of plastic fenders.

Yes as was the Cherokee. They did have square-ish tubes in them that kind of acted like frames but were NOT frames. I have worked on and off roaded both.

I honestly do not care. The Wrangler 2.0L is fine compared to the 3.6L.

Creepier but not cheaper sadly. 

My fast and go to benchmark is the slope of the back. In my old head and SUV should be nearly strait up and down at the rear bumper and and at least AWD. Look at historical SUVs. Broncos, Blazers, Jeeps of most models, Suburbans, Explorers, Durangos, 4runners, landcrusiers, xterras, ETC. The lot of them have no real…

If you have not yet watched her 2 episodes of Reservation Dogs. Go watch them or watch them again. They, and she, are fantastic. 

“private company can’t be used to make an end-run around the Constitution” Citizens United would say otherwise.