Right that was kind of my point, badly executed. you would have to do more trips with the Tesla vs a traditional semi tractor trailer. Either way I REALLY doubt we see a Tesla Semi anytime soon, kind of like the Cyber Truck.

Commercial transport already as a combined weight limit, so its not actually that a Tesla Semi will be too heavy versus a Diesel Cab with the same load- its that the Tesla Semi is forced by regulation to carry LESS LOAD, which means less money for the driver and more trips for the company.

I hear you. Looking forward to the specific corrections, but my feeble mind says the delta between battery truck and current semis isn’t nearly the 15k lbs you mention. Tesla (and Nikola’s scamware biz) semi has no engine

Every mile of range is about 25-50 pounds of battery, so you’ve probably got 15k pounds of battery alone, and that really eats into what you can actually transport with these things.

are you lost, your comment actually contains logic. 

They could make them less expensive. For example, they list their 0-60 time at 3 seconds. Why in the world does a 3 or 4 ton truck need to accelerate that quickly? How much extra does it cost to engineer and build vs a more efficient, but slower, truck?

Yeah how dare they create price models before a completely unanticipated global supply chain clusterfuck made literally every fucking resource more expensive, with the automotive industry getting hit harder than most.

I think the essence of Rivian’s complaint could be better summarized-

Yes- the people who buy $80k+ vehicles are the same people who can credit a significant percentage of their net worth to the creative avoidance of taxes.

Do you not remember the outrage when Rivian raised prices?  It was just like two months ago.

It is kind of a dick move to remove the current structure without a transition period. Tesla made it because they could trade carbon credits and they had a big incentive for their cars. This isn’t going to be the case for Rivian. I understand the criticism for hyper expensive electric trucks as not needing a credit,…

For everyone bashing on Rivian for complaining here: They would get this tax benefit for their consumers as things are now. The new legislation would remove the benefit for them going forward. They’ve counted on this benefit as a part of their model/success/etc...

I’m not saying they should or shouldn’t get this, or…

It sounds like he’s falling into a delusional fantasy where he’s founding Wakanda.

Mesa resident here, which dealer was this?

I’m surprised they didn’t try to get your keys to “appraise” your trade in and conveniently withhold them from you to keep you as a hostage! Bold of the salesperson to run their mouth like that, and good of you for not going full Karen on them...they deserved it after those shenanigans. 

That’s terrible because I’ve dealt with three different Honda dealers in my life and they’ve all been fantastic. Buying my wifes FRS then Wrangler were the two worst dealer experiences ever. Toyota was super pushy on the unnecessary add ons to the point I got rude with the salesman. Jeep was.... well it was a…

We had a similar issue happen about a month ago when my wife wanted to look at a car.

It is standard car sales nonsense to say “if they are here, they want to buy a car”.

Is it bad if I can guess which Honda dealer that was... 

I stopped by a Honda dealer and asked to look at a car. They asked if I had made an appointment. I told them no. The salesman said I need to make one and WALKED AWAY. My son had just totaled our minivan and I had the full replacement insurance on it, so I had a check already for the full value of the vehicle I wanted.…