Again, losing isn’t the issue. Guys lose. Jordan lost. Lebron lost in an unforgivable way. In fact, he did it twice in consecutive years.

Scoring isn’t all that matters. But it’s important.

I don’t think we disagree overall. As I’ve said a few times elsewhere, Lebron is bigger and can do more at a high level. But you combine MJ’s scoring, defense, and antisocial personality disorder and I don’t know how you can rank him lower than Lebron. In my mind you…

It’s more like saying Brady is better than Elway because Elway got absolutely embarrassed in multiple Super Bowls.

Losing happens. As I’ve detailed pretty extensively in another post, MJ lost a lot, and he didn’t do all that winning by himself.

MJ’s effort was never in question. MJ’s willingness to attack was never in…

LOL bruh, how is not playing basketball at all equivalent to being on the court and looking and playing like you don’t even want to be there?

That doesn’t make any sense.

In any case, I’m not knocking Lebron’s legacy. I literally called him the most complete player ever. I just don’t think he’s the GOAT. He’s at best…

Why is it dumb?

1. That’s ludicrous. You cannot compare the best player in the league retiring and not playing basketball to the best player in the league literally looking lost and tentative during a Finals series.

2. I don’t think I’ve ever said the words “killer instinct.” I said that MJ had a kill or be killed mentality that…

lol right. They are really going in. The funny thing is that I’ve been more critical of MJ than I have of Lebron in this thread.

The GOAT don’t go missing in the Finals. The GOAT don’t let DeShawn Stevenson snipe him in the media without making his ass pay on the court.

I’ve pretty thoroughly, and without prompting, listed most, if not all, of the warts in Jordan’s career record.

I literally called Lebron the most complete basketball player ever.

I agree that Lebron had dragged a bunch of trash bags, garbage cans, and waste products to the Finals, and I think he deserves a lot more…

Lebron can do more stuff at an all-time great to above average level on a basketball court than anyone else has. But Michael played with an edge that makes him better than Lebron, notwithstanding Lebron being a more complete package.

Lebron went AWOL during a whole Finals series against an inferior team. How on earth is that comparable to MJ retiring?

Apples to kumquats comparison.

Respectfully, I don’t understand your comment, but I invite you to clarify.

I think there has never been another person on the planet who can do all of the things Lebron James can do on a basketball court.

But I also think Michael Jordan’s combination of scoring, defensive prowess, and sociopathic behavior makes him better than Lebron, notwithstanding the fact that Lebron is a more complete…

It’s never happened.

Everyone has had off games, even MJ. But there is no one on the planet that can say MJ checked out of a game or a series.

Fun fact, MJ responded to the worst shooting night of his playoff career — a 3-of-18 effort against the Knicks in Game 3 of the 93 Eastern Conference finals — with 54 points in…

What part of my statement makes it a hot take? Lebron’s performance in 2011 happened.

Jordan’s record has its warts, but there is no basis for questioning his effort. There is not a single former teammate out there who will ever say that Michael Jordan quit on the team during a game or during a series. There is not a…

I don’t understand this comment. Care to clarify?

I never made any arguments about number of rings or teammates. I never said Jordan won titles because he was gritty.

I can send a pic if you’d like.

I never said he had the wrong mentality. I said that Jordan possessed a mentality that forces me to elevate him above Lebron.

He’s a fantastic player. Best all around player ever. But he absolutely does not have the same or similar mentality as MJ. That’s not to say he doesn’t play hard or doesn’t want to win. It just is what it is. The Mavs series proved that, IMO. You don’t have to agree.