toolazytologin45
Toolazytologin
toolazytologin45

Except if you read the non-Jezebel takes on the story, she was probably railroaded by the police into making a false confession (impacted by language issues). It is unlikely that she took any action that directly led to her fiance’s death.

Jezebel got slammed for their poor reporting the last time they did an article

Key characterization like that can’t only exist in novelizations, canon or not. That rationale needed to be incorporated into the movies, and it wouldn’t have taken a lot of exposition to do so. One or two sentences when discussing the need to find Luke would have easily done it.

Although it’s kind of a silly

I don’t know how you translated my sentence “If the trilogy is Ben Solo’s story, that will also be crappy storytelling, although I’m pretty sure you’re wrong about that” into me saying that the trilogy can’t be about Ben. I said what the words in my sentence mean and no more than that.

Where is that information provided?

I think they were incoherent in terms of the storytelling. You have to do the work for the movie to connect the dots from what/who we were shown in TFA to get to The Last Jedi.

I’m sorry... I misunderstood you. When you asked what I found incoherent about the movie., I thought you were genuinely interested in learning about a POV that claimed that you hadn’t previously heard. I didn’t realize you were actually just interested in arguing with me about whether I get to think what I think.

No, it’s a pretty clear indication that Poe should be exiled from the Resistance. He’s the one who led the pilots into mutiny. It’s also probably an indication that the Resistance is poorly trained and poorly disciplined from a military perspective.

I never said he was. However, he’s the one who dooms the Galaxy most directly and he’s a powerful Force user and he is not a Skywalker.

I mean coherence with TFA. I’ve been all over AV Club today (cause I just saw it yesterday) but in no particular order, here are the beats I found incoherent:

Star Wars has clearly not been about hereditary Force use since the prequels established the Jedi as celibate. The original trilogy never established much about it. Luke and Leia were descended from Vader, but Vader, Palpatine, Obi-Wan, and Yoda just were.

Poe had just been demoted due to his disobedience resulting in wiping out the bomber squad. Why on earth would Holdo care about teaching him?

But I thought the point was that the transports were cloaked and the hacker somehow told the First Order how to penetrate the cloaks. Which even as a master codebreaker, I don’t see how he could have known since he’d never been on the transports.

If the NR was supposed to have been wiped out by the destruction of one system, it was not portrayed very clearly! I can buy the NR being weakened and in pain, but an entire galactic republic wiped out because some key planets were destroyed? Not so much.

She didn’t say she had no plan. She said to trust in hope.

I think being unpredictable is overrated. I mean, if the Resistance had escaped by warping into Cloud Cuckooland and everyone briefly turning into unicorns to magic their way down rainbow chutes, I really would not have expected that. But I think we can all agree that it would have been crappy storytelling/plotting.

IMHO, it’s pretty normal for first parts of a trilogy to establish mysteries. I don’t think JJ Abrams short-sighted “mystery box” storytelling is the issue here.

I don’t agree that the movie showed us that effectively.

If we were given everything that mattered, people wouldn’t be frustrated. It’s great that you’re satisfied. But the fact that so many people are frustrated by what happened with Snoke means that we were not given everything that mattered.

The problem with what you’re saying is that we know this universe already and Snoke doesn’t fit into what we know. Palpatine didn’t need a backstory or explanation because he fit. There was an evil Empire that ruled the galaxy and evil Empire logically has an evil Emperor. As an audience member, there’s nothing for us

Poe shouldn’t have been so important because we got what we needed of him in TFA. He was a charming Resistance loyalist and hotshot pilot. He didn’t NEED to be Leia’s heir apparent in part because he WASN’T Leia’s heir apparent and the journey to make him be that was a horrible story that destroyed Poe’s character. So