If you genuinely think that I was arguing that it’s justified or okay for people to call victims liars because Louis CK’s essay was criticized, then I’m sorry I didn’t state my point well enough.

Yeah, I definitely think that was a big part of it. I know from my own personal experience how frustrating it can be when you’re trying to own your shit in conversation with someone who doesn’t owe you that and makes sure you know it. I’m a middle-aged white cishet progressive dude. I’ve had my share of conversations…

I totally agree with you. This isn’t meant as an attempt to excuse him in any way, but I’ve always wondered if some of that was “Well, I tried doing the self-reflection thing, and you all said fuck me, so I’m going to play to the cheap seats who say I did nothing wrong.” I remember the credits including a list of…

I’d say it’s an editorial issue and the fault of the owners who fired all the editors: the ‘Club already has a precedent of presenting reviews as well as analysis separately; this article is presented as a review, so I’d argue it should be written towards informing people who haven’t seen the doc yet. Whereas if they…

Yeah, I had a similar reaction when that statement first hit. I found it to be thoughtful and genuine.

There’s no blueprint or expectation for what a return looked like, and it would be silly if he was apologizing all the time, but when the “long time to step back and listen” amounts to returning six months later with “golly that sucked for me” material, it just recontextualizes the contrite attitude of the letter a…

To be fair, he doesn't have to write the material. 

i think the difference is samberg also had to juggle a hot new career while working on snl. kenan seems to be quite happy with snl being the primary gig, and occasionally dipping his toes in a sitcom or something.

How dare you bring thoughtfulness to an internet forum!

Tina Fey just laid it all out in an interview with Conan O’Brien. “It’s a schedule built around cocaine. Then the Seventies end. As far as I knew, nobody was doing cocaine when I was on the show, but they still kept the schedule.”

imo the letter was fine; the issue was his return to the spotlight and material about the situation didn’t really match that sense of contrite self-reflection.

“But as in the essay he published when his misconduct was brought to light back in 2017, C.K. doesn’t seem interested in atoning for his actions.”

There’s a generational component to the advertising part - YouTube has a LOT of ads, including movie trailers, but people over ~20 don’t consider watching YouTube a viable form of entertainment, and younger people don’t necessarily see a trailer and plan to go to a movie theater.

It always feels weird to be the only person in the theater. I always think that the employees suspect me of doing something weird in the theater. 

yes but everyone was on the same equal footing. it used to be that a group of people could say ‘hey maybe let’s see a movie’ on friday night, and go do that. hey, the screening they were nearest might be sold out, but they could settle for bad seats or get tickets to the next show.

and i think you got so horned up to dunk on me you stopped reading what i was actually saying.

i prefer it, too, but (and i’m not basing this on any real data) but i have to imagine that showing up and seeing all the best seats already taken for the last 10 years has effected spontaneous movie-going, and that’s had a ripple effect.

The industry people who think audiences will still show up for romance, drama, and (most) comedies in movie theaters are insane. Insane. Those are the use-case for home theaters, always have been, always will be. You can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

You CAN lean into what audiences want and make some of this…

i’d even go as far as saying that advance ticket sales/pre-selected seats fucked theatres even before that.

I like going to the movies, so, selfishly, I hope theaters survive. But I think audiences have made pretty clear that there are really only a handful of movies per year that they’re willing to pay for a full theatrical experience to see. And I don’t think that makes them assholes or philistines.