Monsanto is a big reason why the US and much of the world has such a plentiful and inexpensive food supply corn and soy.

There used to be an Alderaan ornament.

We do use modern tech. We have to. With all the safety bullshit in modern cars if we didn’t use modern tech they’d all weigh 10,000 lbs. My BMW has more explosives in the cabin that a 4th of July fireworks show. That’s what the ultra high strength steels and composites and plastics and bonded aluminum do, offset the…

Jason, everyone here understands what you’re trying to say. It doesn’t seem that there’s reciprocity from your end. @My 2 Cents summed it up quite well.

No...you’re missing the point. He quoted numbers. They were accurate. And you dont like those facts.

Torch, man, you’re just off on this point.

He. Did. Not. Say. That. Automotive. Progress. Stagnated.

His point is not that there has been no progress, just that the lower end of the fuel economy spectrum is the same.

But Sen Sanders did not address anything about specific efficency or features, just the fuel economy of the car. While his wording was imprecise (in that the first internal combustion engines were not even used for cars...they were used in stationary powerplants), the basic essence of the point is true:

...Again, you’re arguing what wasnt argued. He didnt argue efficiency or safety or weight or anything you brought up.

The best selling vehicle in the US in 2015 is the Ford F 150.

Actually Bernies comment, minus the “first combustion engine” is accurate. 21mpg in 1908, 21 mpg in 2015. He didnt say cars hadn’t improved, he said gas milage hadn’t improved for most cars. Ive said the same thing many times before in talking to other car guys and they all agreed the numbers havent changed in 100…

It peaked in the early 70’s.

Sorry, but unless you’re morbidly obese this isn’t “useful in everyday life.” It’s needlessly big compared to its competitors and other mass-market coupes and that’s mostly because of nostalgic design and poor packaging.

You couldn’t pay me to drive any Chrysler. A big engine is briefly amusing, but then the awful handling and build quality come in and take a dump on the rug.

I said it pretty clearly, how the FUCK can you not read?

I like classics, most mass-produced retro-modern cars suck, this one included.

No, I’m not joking. I haven’t been in a Hellcat, but I’ve driven a R/T and ridden in a couple other models, and I hate them..... SOOOO much. I mean if I wasn’t allowed to sell it, I would park it on the street with the doors unlocked and wait for someone to steal it. I get it, people love these cars, but they are the…

As always, I find it silly that we are making conclusions that something doesn’t exist or is impossible via telescope observations. To make claims that there are no advanced civilizations is akin to sitting in your living room, looking out the windows, seeing no one and coming to the conclusion that you are the only…