Seriously? Comparing it to a GT-R, which is already bloated for a sports car, and an M4, which is DEFINTELY bloated for a sports car?

Why not compare it to an S550 or an A8, as it is supposed to be on the market?

(S550 - 4600lbs, A8 - 4400-4700 lbs, btw)

This is much cooler than I thought it was going to be.

You’ll love it. My 2000 is a Grin Machine every day, and top-down motoring is the best.

2 SD Card Slots, and a SIM Card Slot. Drove one last week. Phew.

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I disagree - I blame their lineup, and the fact that they coolest car ever to be branded a Scion came FAR too late in the game. If they had led out of the gate in 03 with an ACTUAL sports car, I suspect things would be different.

Why? At some point, your time is more valuable than the possible savings, so, stimulate the economy, and start enjoying your purchase.

For some, it’s about the ‘game’, and for others, it’s about the acquisition, and others, about actually enjoying the item that they sought in the first place.

Exactly this. Customers, when shopping for cars, have somehow gotten to the point where dealer profit, whatever that is, is a dirty word.

Target can make a profit on a toaster, and there is no negotiation at the checkout, but a dealership cannot make a profit on a car, and if they do, they screwed the buyer?

Sad to see the buying model (No Haggle, No Hassle) is going away, too.

Cars aside, people LOVED purchasing cars that way - it cut down on the antagonism, the defensiveness, and put everyone on the same page when it came to pricing and buying.

It was very low pressure, and wheat really mattered (as it should) was how…

If I were guessing, I’d say size and expectation are the two biggest reasons. The loaner cars come from the dealer’s stock, and they get rotated into loaner service, then out, and get sold on the lot as a used car (oftentimes not titled). If they don’t have the available stock to donate to the fleet, then they simply…

Ford pays for them. Every time an RO exists, Ford reimburses for the loaner usage.

Hanging it level, however, is beyond ole Joe.

THIS has always been my biggest criticism of these cars, aside from the obnoxious tools that I’ve encountered driving them.

The build quality, inside and out, is sub-90’s Chevy, and for $115K, you better punch in M-B, BMW, Audi, and Porsche’s weight class.

When you get out of an S-Class, and into a Tesla, it’s like…

Was this in TN? Because we have THE SAME EXACT DUDE who comes to all of the C&C events (sometimes we sponsor them at the Porsche store) and does the same thing - pops trunks, lawn chair, etc.

Before, and I understand that. But it only affects 7% of cars, and on that year, it’s fairly simple to do.

And a nice body and electrics is definitely worth something.

Well, since you’ve talked him out of the Cab, can I have the info to buy it? I did the IMS in my Cab, and it’s no thing with a lift and the right tools.

Hell, if the body is in good shape, even if the engine has grenaded, I can do something with it.

Eff that - balls like that typically chase Indiana Jones out of caves.

My customers dig ‘em, so I’m in.

It’s more long-term, like mental abuse.

I have done both of those things, and I think they’re junk - do I count?