Does no one remember Michael Sam? Dude didn’t actually play in a game, but he was drafted and kissed his boyfriend on live tv when it happened. Has everyone just agreed that he wasn’t part of the NFL so someone else could be the first openly gay man to pay? Is he being whitewashed?

But it’s not a larger Grand Cherokee - that’s a unibody vehicle, this is body on frame. And while you’re correct that in this model it’s in Escalade/Navigator territory (both of which are awfully profitable), if you look at what fully loaded long wheel base Expeditions and Yukon Denalis sell for, there’s not that much…

Heh, I had a high school econ teacher tell me “it’s not about making something people want. It’s about making something they don’t know they want.”

There’s a guy in Guthrie, OK that converts Super Duties into six-door Excursions. I don’t think he has to do anything to the frame, either. He just takes a crew-cab long-bed of any vintage between 1998 and 2016, removes the bed, and welds the B-pillars-and-back portion of an Excursion in its stead, then does the…

I’m not an environmentalist

I need a 4-seating-row vehicle or else there’s just not enough space for my 3.5 kids and 1.5 dogs to get to soccer practice with all their hockey gear. Not to mention family vacations with a boat on the roof and pulling the 42' camper.  You might not need this to replace your prius for trips to the smoothie bar, but…

I feel like the continued existence of the Navigator/Escalade probably do indicate a desire. 

Are you experiencing low fuel consumption? Just ask your salesman about Stellantis.

Or they should have stayed true to the previous SJ model, last produced in the 90's..

I’m not an environmentalist, but I’m also not a fan of wasteful conspicuous consumption. FCA must be the least fuel efficient automotive corporation in the US. Aside from the Pacifica Hybrid, does anything they shill get over 30 mpg?

It needs a bigger grille

The new tundra definitely exudes big dick energy.

I would buy that bumper sticker.

Cool, pull their tax exemptions.

Mortal Kombat’s Hiroyuki Sanada is the latest to join the cast of John Wick: Chapter 4 in an undisclosed role.

What’s funny is out here in Colorado where we have plenty of Waynes, the Subies/CRV’s and Rav’s get dirty all the time. I can’t say the same for the Raptors which 99.99999999% of the time are diaper rubbed garage queens.

That is why I like Volvos. If you’re gonna do off-road comfort, this is the way to go. So damn capable. So damn comfortable. (this will be my next used car)

Same here in NW Washington. I don’t off-road, but I spend a lot of time going to fun places to ski, mountain bike (and build trails), windsurf, and camp. None of those places require serious off-road capability. Many of them benefit from a bit more ground clearance than you get in a normal car, and a bit more…

Subarus are endemic on the front range of Colorado, as are the haters, many of whom drive around in 1- and 2-ton pick-ups that rarely, if ever see the dirt.

Same. I didn’t want an SUV/truck because I didn’t want to deal with the size and added fuel expenses, and I didn’t want to stick with a sedan because it was just too unpractical and I’d worry every time I’d go on any non-asphalt road. The Outback was the logical choice because it just does everything I need it to very…