Because over the 30 years of their demise, absolutely no one has shown any desire to improve them and make them more palatable. Once someone gets a real movement going, then we’ll believe there is a desire to do so.

Oh, good. So what legislation are you proposing to make unions good? Has there been any? Who is leading this effort?

If you look at the California state data, it actually supports the notion that is more driven by liberals (specifically, homeopathic hippy nutjobs, not your garden variety “I want a social safety net” liberal)

I loved my Athlon. My XP 2500+ lasted 5 years (‘03-’08), which has only been bested by this i5 2500K which seems nigh unstoppable.

Not for long!

Then you’ll have to explain to me why we have virtually no textile manufacturing and why we’re down to the 3/4th largest steel producer from #1 in 1967. Companies are not 100% rational, but if it was just about set up and selling here was a no brainer, they’d be doing a lot more manufacturing here.

Why do you believe that? How do you know what kind of funds she’s invested in? Venture capital funds, PE funds drive new business growth, hedge funds lend money to growth phase companies, deposits lead to small business loans.

My pleasure. And I’m certainly no expert. These are just some of the basics. This is a topic worth digging into over the long haul.

I think you’re conflating sourcing with selling and maybe we’re simply arguing time horizons. They don’t have any desire to source here because of the high costs, unless they are highly automated. They obviously would love to sell here. But as more stuff is made in emerging economies, so too will demand increase. …

Because we’re lifting the global poor out of their $1/day existence. Those manufacturing jobs that were very high paying were an anomaly, historically speaking, and with IT and reduced shipping costs, there’s no reason those same products can’t be produced cheaper elsewhere and that production makes those people…

It’s more than just frustration. It’s that they are spreading misinformation.

So this is a more reasonable discussion and one that, frankly, is a lot more nuanced and would require a real discussion of capital investment rates and proposed tax rates. I don’t think the problem is an either-or. I do believe our top tax and cap gains rates are too low but I also don’t believe that we should…

OK, you need to leave this fucking site and go somewhere that legitimate, congenial debate is allowed. Because that ain’t here, ya big dickhead.

God I hate the SEC.

I’m not defending anything other than a basic understanding of the monetary system and economics, things about which you apparently know nothing. Because all that money is being invested in the economy, US or global.

That timing is partially coincidental, I’m afraid, because it also coincides with China and other 3rd world nations opening up and accelerated technological advances. Certainly there was role in what you say, but the result of globalization has been radically beneficial for the globe.

Why not? Why do you think she’s not an LP in one or a dozen different VC or PE funds?

You’re a dummy. Bits and bytes are still leverageable capital, despite your gold-eyed, Fed-fear mongering POV.

JT was out of position on that one. He was too wide out (basically just below the dot) and as a result had to shoot for the center of the net which gave Price the shot he needed to save it.

Unreligious people are stupid also. End of discussion.