I’m pretty sure my FCA dealer is on a work release program with the local prison.

Sure, ok, 0-60 is a wash. I don’t disagree. And I’m not trying to defend the Durango, per se. As a jeep owner, who has to deal with jeep/dodge dealer service, I don’t know if I could handle owning another one.

fair enough but my point remains. the big brakes on the cayenne is a limiter. It’s hard to have it both ways.

Porsche stopped offering a 2 speed case a number of years ago on the Cayenne, seems like it was in 2011 or 2012. Plus those big brakes on the higher spec (above ‘S’) force you into a big wheel which limits the tire sidewall and renders the whole thing impractical.

Never said badge brothers. But if you look at all the interior specs (leg room, shoulder, cargo, etc. for all rows it’s identical). Wheel base is identical. Weight is similar. Suspension design is same. Both have ZF trannys, both have active suspension (Dodge uses Bilstein active dampers Mercedes has inhouse). Both…

I agree the Cayenne is the real on road hustler which can survive some off road chop, but it doesn’t have 3 rows and I think that it is it’s party piece, similar to the Durango SRT (for the Frosted Flakes and Pepsi for breakfast crowd).

My Grand Cherokee Overland Diesel with skid plates and locking diff is fairly capable offroad but it is no street perfomer. It does ok but it does not like to hustle.

No mention of the platform sharing Durango SRT which starts at $62,995 ($70k nicely equipped) and is faster to 60mph while still offering 6 seats? I posted several points to compare this against a Durango in your other article asking “What do you want to know about this...?”

(i’m not saying you are saying this, i just don’t understand why bare arms and shoulders are inappropriate attire)

Aren’t classic cars listed for sale the cars that the classic car buyer purchased then decided they didn’t want? I think what we want to know is what cars did the classic car buyer purchase and decide to keep. I’m sure the answer is still Corvette.

We’re talking about $12k-$15k here, right? For a dealer who surely grosses $5MM+ each year with profits in the $500k range (just spitballing). How can a dealer be so myopic to keep digging their heels in? Are they worried about setting precedent, like if they sell it to her for list then they will somehow be obligated…

I think the word journey implies a ‘hard life,’ which I assume is being lived the owner.

And yet 3 year old stock JK’s with 60k miles sell for only $5,000 less than original MSRP.

F&I guy: “Fico of 580? I can see you are a man who has seen it all and lived to tell about it. I’ll just go ahead and check all these boxes for you in the contract so that you’ll be covered in case of earth-nado damage.”

Is this really the nicest Durango money can buy?

No. I have a ‘14 WK2 and I think the early WK1 is like the backwoods cousin you desperately try to avoid when you go home to visit but still end up somehow getting confused with by the cute girl in the checkout line.

I agree. I saw that ‘04 Silverado that went 500k (38k/year) and the guy gave it a cup cake. It was an inspiring message for GM small block longevity but the 6.2 in my wife’s ‘07 Escalade has 142k (14k/year). It would need an additional 25 years to get to 500k and likely more than just a transmission replacement.

I would order the 1sv and have a local shop do the seats in a nice butter leather for <$1500. I don’t think many people understand how simple and reasonable the cost is to have aftermarket leather seats.

Road won’t fix itself.

I’ll take Jo(h)n Voight’s Lebaron over this.