I’ve taken my van off-road many places people with trucks can’t get. I wouldn’t even think to try it with an outback. General Grabber AT2s drag it through mud, snow, ice, marsh, wherever else I decide to go, without a worry.

Good luck on your search.

You haven’t met most people have you?

Age really has nothing to do with whether I would trust my kids with them or not.

Those early transmissions were great, assuming you only use ATF+3/ATF+4, and change it every 20k. If you don’t you will have problems. Most shops(even dealers) don’t even know about the ATF+3/4, and will use the wrong fluid, leading to their early demise.

So you get 2 mpg better than mine:

Wrong.

Leave the Riv out of this.

For those still reluctant or criticizing the minivan, please set aside your lack of confidence in your own manhood, and don’t limit yourself to what automotive accountants tell you to buy their overpriced less than practical products.

My family have had many Caravans/Voyagers. They’ve all been trouble free for 200k+.

Dodge Grand Caravan.

Dying less than any crossover owner.

Get out of my dreams!

I wish they’d have stuck with the 4.0L instead of the Penta. It offered quicker acceleration and better mileage.

They are damn good vans, far cheaper than anything Honda/Toyota has to offer, while offering better real-world mileage, and a no-frills look.

How dare you!

What mileage do you get?

I think the point is:

This still doesn’t explain why almost every older vehicle I’ve owned (15+yrs old) usually averages better than the EPA hwy rating, meanwhile anything newer I’ve driven struggles to average the EPA city rating.

Both my 20+yr old minivans pull better than their EPA hwy rating for average mileage.