Pontiac G8 GXP. A 4.5 second 0-60 in grandpa’s old luxo-barge.

Recency bias and all that, but damn if this 6MT V8 supercharged V8 is not one of the best sedans of all time.

14-17 VF Holden Commodore/Chevrolet SS/Vauxhall VXR8

Obvious answer is E39 M5 or E55 AMG.

Wiki says 246, which sounds more likely to me.

Wiki says 246, which sounds more likely to me.

The problem here is that this is the furthest thing from “nondescript”. I have a lot of friends who don’t know the first thing about cars, but one of the few things they are conscientious of is that people who roll around in old cop cars are freaks. Let alone this weirdo one that’s been gussied up to effectively be a…

As I navigate through ads and click continue reading even more ads on this clunky, shitty site I often wish Mr. Emslie would take this series to The Autopian so I can be done with this shit once and for all.

This is actively bad at everything.

This is post-BK GM. This thing debuted for 2013. GM filed BK in 2009.

GM was not trying to make a performance car when they made the Bolt, they just wanted to make a good commuter EV for an affordable price. By the way, the slower you charge an EV the longer the battery lifespan with good range...

Yep. I live in Minnesota.  It feels like a way of marking time to notice when I go from only seeing a specific make/model in good condition to only seeing it in rusty condition.

Where I live, rust is almost more important than if the engine dies. Routine maintenance and oil changes will keep a basic engine running for a long time, but a rusted frame or unibody is death for a car. I have never had a car mechanically fail on me, only rust out. So I would look for something mechanically simple…

I blame the limitations of plain text.

What do you mean $1200 for brakes? If we are talking pads and rotors all around that’s what a lot of cars would cost from the dealer. Average price for parts per axle for pads and rotors is $100-200 for parts and $80-100 for labor. On the high end that is $300 x 4=$1200.

Who’s cross-shopping a Maserati and a FR-S?

“In practical use the McLaren F1” - In practical use?????@!?! WTF dude? You don’t buy an F1 for practical anything.

As a former Wrench, when asked about “performance cars” my advice has been that most are money pits with the exception of Mustang’s, Camaro’s, similar Detroit Iron, earlier Mopar & earlier 911s. In the case of the Detroit Iron, it all depends on which drivetrain, for example the SVO Mustang was too expensive to…

This just in, “old cars not as good as newer cars as technology marches on”. More at 11! I mean, you could literally do this with any era, maybe the only one you couldn’t would be like 70's vs 60's maybe early 80's vs 60's. But even then, the newer cars were still probably better. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug though. 

The big thing to know about a lot of these cars that are on the list is that you are judging them against the wrong metric.