Another issue involves the fact that the abortion rights movement was not a strong and growing issue in the states before the Supreme Court ruled on Roe. So it was federal law that led the states, whereas marriage equality rights are being granted by the states, with the Supreme Court following. States often lead…

Replying to your edit here. I agree with you, I think privacy is part of what’s at stake, but abortion’s constitutional underpinnings are solely rooted in privacy. That’s the problem, right? Same sex marriage has never been framed that way, as far as I know. For all of the public handwringing about “one man, one…

Here’s an interesting analysis for you.

They don’t care about them but they do like making money off them or keeping a bootheel on the backs of their necks. Anything that would give a black or poor person or especially poor black women power over their lives and give them dignity is under attack...you know like social services, public schools, medicaid, and…

that’s a good point, but when i am talking about “people,” i am referring to the general public/public opinion on these issues and not necessarily the court. you can find a lot of people, for example, who are pro-gay marriage, but don’t believe in the most *basic* of human and civil rights protections for people of…

This whole article is fantastic. About 2/3’s of the way through it, got to this,

Well, equality doesn’t imply you’re hiding a shameful thing, or should be, for one. I don’t see that as “backfiring” so much as integral to the argument. Abortion is a privacy issue because it’s “about” women and sex. Gay white men have made marriage equality a civil rights issue, which is inherently public.

It’s because public opinion on reproductive rights is pretty evenly split, and also not purely a dichotomy of being “pro-life” or “pro-choice”. When only 28% of Americans believe in a right to have an abortion under any circumstances it’s not hard to see why anti-choice laws have gained so much traction. Piecemeal…

Gay marriage matters because it affects men. Rich white ones. If a rich white man determines that one of his women needs an abortion he’ll get her one. But the very idea that she should make that determination herself without his knowledge and permission is TERRIFYING!!!

oh and i forgot to mention - a lot of mainstream lgbt groups have heavy corporate ties, which jacks sh*t up for everyone, esp poor people (a demographic in which queer people, poc, and women (and all points of intersection therein) are represented disproportionately).

WHICH IS WHY INTERSECTIONALITY IS SO FUCKING IMPORTANT, LADIES!!

I’ve thought this way for a couple of years, now. Why has the gay rights movement moved at a pace faster than any we’ve ever seen? White males. If only a white male needed an abortion every now and then, or was ever denied the right to vote, we might get a little movement on repro rights and voting rights, too.

“the argument for privacy inevitably invokes the discrimination it attempts to fight.”

I totally agree that this is happening—but I’m trying to figure out how to get to an explanation (historical, ontological, anything) for why that is? Privacy and equality are both constitutionally guaranteed, and both are general,…

I think racism + sexism is a HUGE part of it. Conservatives hate nothing more than black women, and the black straw-woman they’ve created in their mind spends her time having promiscuous sex, and then alternately having children out of wedlock OR aborting them, all to get her hands on that sweet, sweet welfare money.

There’s been far less done to promote acceptance of people who are bisexual or trans or who have no interest in monogamous cohabitation with their same sex partners

Why? Racism + Sexism.

It’s an interesting argument, and I think there’s something to it. I also think that part of it is political and stems from socially conservative values (which lead to conservative politicians being elected, which leads to conservative judges being appointed). Lesbians and gay men managed, over the years, to put a…

Because most view abortion as a women’s issue, and this falls in line with society’s standard issue hatred and fear of women’s sexuality. I know that not only women get pregnant but I doubt these anti-choice shit bags would care to acknowledge that reality. Gay marriage can help cis white dudes, so now more people are…

something similar is happening re: racial justice/race-related civil rights protections.

While the privacy/equality distinction is important, the fact the the fight for marriage equality is essentially a conservative demand should be factored in. Allowing new types of couples to access a traditional and widely revered form of union is a far cry from reproductive choice for women.