Yes, but that's the point, isn't it? Bruce has had 65 years to come to grips with it. It's much newer to everyone else.

I think that because it’s something you went through yourself it might be a little hard to see it and understand it from the point of view of the people around Bruce. Think if it like this: to expect the family to not be so affected and act like it’s not that big of a deal and it’s not like Bruce is dying, is kind of…

That is odd for me, too. I’m all for Bruce enjoying his life as his preferred gender. I’d say she/her, but it sounds like he’s not doing that yet. I felt that he would want to switch publicly, using a new name and new pronouns after the interview. But then this:

I’m not Kris fan (who is?) but I totally agree with this. She’s in a tough position and has every right to her feelings—that doesn’t mean Bruce is doing something wrong or bad, they are not. But it’s a difficult situation for both of them, I imagine.

I disagree. It has nothing to do with the person being trans. They HAPPEN to be trans. I think if the Kardashian/Jenner clan found out the Kris and Bruce hated each other for years, but decided to stay together “for the kids,” like many couples do, they’d be pretty pissed. It is dishonest to know something about…

I don’t think it’s a direct comparison and I don’t believe that is what the family is implying. Mourning a fundamental shift in a relationship is not the same as saying someone died, but it is a loss, and they should be allowed to grieve that loss. It’s pretty simplistic to break it down to loss = physical death.…

It certainly seems like she hasn’t been as supportive of his transition as she should be, but despite my dislike of Kris in general, I think it’s fair to say that supporting someone meaningfully and with love doesn’t necessarily mean she has to stay married to Bruce. After all, as far as we are aware, Kris’s own…

I have loads of sympathy for Bruce, but that doesn’t mean we can’t also feel sorry for Kris. It would be a huge blow to learn that the person you married and built a life with and probably confided your deepest emotions in, was keeping this huge part of their own life from you. I imagine it is really shocking and…

I don’t know. I don’t fault her for not being okay with Bruce’s transition. I have not been in that position, but I’m not attracted to women. I don’t know if I would stay with someone who changed gender halfway through a marriage. There have been rumors that she knew he was a cross dresser. She had to have known that.…

Dishonesty isn’t the best word, because its not done maliciously, and the way family members experience isn’t really malicious. But it can feel like all your memories with that person are suddenly off-limits. Because your brain is still trying to learn a new way of conceptualizing this person. I wish it were easier…

Thank you for sharing that. It’s one thing to be on the outside looking in regarding this type of thing, but when you experience it, there is a lot more that you feel and not all of it is acceptance and unconditional love initially, I can imagine. And I believe that’s okay. Yes, it’s their truth and they should live…

The change can be pretty drastic. Especially when that person was your father, and they’re...not.

“Honestly, if she had been really good with it and understanding of it, we’d probably still be together.”

Right now Bruce has said himself that he feels he’s not ready to fully transition, but he will soon. Basically the story got out of hand and was covered before he was ready. That’s why we’re using “Bruce” and male pronouns. So in this context “straight” is the applicable term. People tend to adhere to the idea that…

It’s difficult to be supportive of someone who isn’t open about what they need. The Diane Sawyer interview made it sound like she divorced him because he was trans, which I thought was kind of an unfair painting of the situation. This made it seem a lot clearer, she seemed hurt too, that it took him years to be honest…

that was my first thought, because that’s how we have been conditioned to think

in the episode they said that the last 4-5 years leading up to their marriage, bruce was angry and wanted to isolate himself. the reason for him acting that way was because of his issues with wanting to be himself but not being able to.

I think he meant he was straight when he was referring to his life as a Bruce, as in he was biologically a male who was only attracted to women.

There have been mixed stories about it; he told Diane Sawyer that, “Honestly, if she had been really good with it and understanding of it, we’d probably still be together.” But they’ve also presented it as just irreconcilable differences, and he’s said at other times Kris has been totally supportive of him.

I think they split because he was really unhappy with himself. Then he started going to therapy after the split and was finally able to figure who he really was. So, in part because of the need to transition but mostly just finding his new/true self.