Yes, that one!

I think you hit the nail on the head with the writer's room thing. Individuals or teams get credit for specific episodes, but who knows how much the entire team contributes or tweaks here or there. Maybe the pilot could have benefited from more input, or else the team that did contribute is mediocre or just not a…

I'd definitely agree that the SPN pilot is very good for a pilot, but I'm not convinced the first season overall is anything special. I think the SPN pilot's strength is that keeps things simple and direct. This new one, not so much.

Yes! I could have clarified that better: I was talking about a remake - a movie better than we got with Dead of Night, or (even better) a decent tv series.

I think I was most unimpressed with the Romeo/Juliet angle. In any 'unrequited love' story worth its salt, we see that love develop and grow, the need for secrecy, the urgency of their emotions, etc. Here, we were simply told that this is a former couple with unresolved issues who still love each other. Nothing about…

Plus, a lot of pilots (and even many first seasons) of eventually great shows are simply terrible. Not that I think this has the makings of a *great* show by any definition I would use, but I think it hit its target audience and it fits the CW bill.

I'd love to see that show too, but I think that's just not a show that the CW is at all interested in producing - and that is their loss. Same with the olden days Genre-Western or a show about aging hunters, unfortunately.

I haven't actually seen either, but I'd bet money that the leads of both shows actually had central roles and meaningful interactions with each other. In this, it was pretty obvious that the Winchesters were meant to bookend things.

There was also trademark Supernatural use of "bitch" applied to the female werewolf. If you were very quiet, you could almost hear the writers patting themselves on the back on set because HA HA LOOPHOLE WEREWOLVES DOGS GET IT?

They almost don't need the Supernatural connection at all. We know what all the monster species are w/o necessarily connecting them to the Supernatural universe. The only real benefit to connecting it to SPN is the carry over of a ready made audience, but judging from the comments the show may have started stronger as…

Plus, his fiancee didn't really die because of monsters. She died because some human thought it was okay to kill an innocent bystander to avenge the death of his child. So his monster-directed vendetta doesn't really have much oomph.

Or trying to make sexytimes with other characters. The awkward, "Oh, excuse me" and red-faced embarrassment when their facial skin slides off or their teeth fall into someone else's mouth during smoochies. Takes "my bad" to a whole new level. Good times.

Yeah, I can't muster up too much irritation either. I won't be watching, but it's no skin off my nose if people like it or if they tinker with canon. It's not like I'll be there week to week to get irritated by it. I just figured I'm not the target audience, and moved on.

Man what I wouldn't give for a decent Dylan Dog movie or tv series.

It really didn't feel like a Supernatural episode. It felt more like Magnum, PI showing up on Murder, She Wrote or some other ill-conceived crossover.

Plot convenience? Hard to sell sexy, sexy shapeshifters when they are constantly leaving slug trails everywhere.

Definitely. I brought up last week that the spinoff was reminiscent of the tv adaptation of Vampire: The Masquerade.

Supernatural: 2 Monster 2 Gangster

Shifteo and Wolfiet

It really seemed like someone had an idea about a monster-mob "five families" show first, and then the bright idea to make it a Supernatural spin-off came later.