It's not even worth telling you what went wrong here. I can see it in your internet-eyes. You're going to dismiss my response and call me an MRA, regardless of what the response says. Because that's the kind of asshole you are.

I disagree with the statement that trolling "does not just happen", and provide this subspecies of troll as proof.

I like the part where you put words in my mouth. I didn't say if it were out of office it would've been just fine. Not at all. I just said that as it was presented, it was very clearly outside of what's acceptable in the office. That doesn't say anything about its appropriateness elsewhere.

It's not a mindless thing that people just do for the hell of it.

That's the first useful contribution you've made to this thread.

No, I'm not. You and a million other people are being obtuse.

And until there is actionable punishments to this sort of behavior, it will continue.

So is your argument that "removal of tissue is bad"? That's a valid argument!

The reason I pointed out 4chan was to illustrate that trolling very much does just happen. Go and look. It happens to all sides of all topics at all hours of all days because it's a thing that shitty people do for entertainment, and all they need to do it is to find someone with an opinion and shout the opposite.

You are still really not grasping it. I am not okaying or denying anything. I am saying that taken alone, absent all other factors, autonomy is insufficient to judge circumcision bad. Consequently, given all other factors weighing equally pro and con, autonomy does not move the needle. Therefore, autonomy cannot…

Ooh, actually, here we go. In case it's still not clear, this is the simplest possible explanation I can give for what I'm saying here:

Theoretical means illogical now?

Yes. Oh no. You've unmasked me.

No you aren't? We had our other thread, and it seemed pretty soundly concluded. At least, you didn't have any other response or question for me over there...

And your example is not meaningfully different from an ethical standpoint to my example of an IQ doubling tattoo, rather than a satanic one.

I didn't say it was. I'm saying that if you have reasons that make sense to do something, autonomy of the child is not a reason not to do it.

Okay, since you're still intent on not getting it:

You're starting to get what I'm saying, but you're not quite there.

Sorry, it's a bit of a task keeping up with this thread while doing other things and I only remember seeing the tattoo question addressed to other people.

Yes, this was already revealed a ways back. You and I disagreed in a hypothetical braces scenario.