You... are really not getting my point at all.

You're right, you have no way of knowing how your child will view the choice you made or what value he'll place on the different effects your decision had on him. You also don't have any way of knowing those things for ANY OTHER DECISION. The problem is not special. It reduces down exactly to other "parent…

The idea that you can't make that decision for your child is ridiculous though - the parent's job is exactly to make those decisions.

I don't say it's a medical necessity. I specifically bow out of the debate entirely here, except for the autonomy issue. That is the only thing I address. Still, you have an argument against what I've said, and I feel that you're incorrect and/or a hypocrite, so here we go:

Well, let's take it to super-mega-extreme-stupid-town. You cannot deny that it takes ~1 second (maybe ~1/2 second?) more to clean an uncircumcised penis than a circumcised one because of the foreskin. Therefore, it is indisputable fact that circumcision grants a child [lifespan times number of showers times one…

I don't know, and I'm not making any claims on that front. I'm just saying that the autonomy argument is stupid bullshit and anybody who wants to fight about circumcision needs to look elsewhere.

It's simple. People who cross the line are bad. You may legitimately believe that abortion is always wrong. You may lobby and fight for it to be made criminal. But if you threaten people who oppose you, you've crossed the line and are a 100% inexcusable shitbag.

We disagree, then. I could perhaps say the parents made the wrong choice, but I don't feel they've done something wrong by making it.

I didn't imply it didn't. I'm giving you a hypothetical situation where the parents make a purely cosmetic choice for their child and it's not wrong. Because autonomy doesn't enter into the equation. BENEFITS AND COSTS DO.

"Bad people" who see themselves as justified or doing bad things for a good reason don't see themselves as bad people. They're fucking heroes, yo!!! They're stopping the feminazi onslaught or the liberal menace or saving the babies or whathaveyou.

How so? I thought I dismissed it rather well. What did I fail to address? Why does it still matter?

What if the braces are more cosmetic, in that dietary function is not impeded and the teeth are not damaged by their mild misalignment?

There are still very many people making the argument that circumcision is not just cosmetic, and that it is mildly good for reason X or mildly bad for reason Y or whatever else. It is a decision to make by weighing factors and I absolutely cannot see how it's not perfectly right for the parents to make the choice.

Those people are NOT trolling. That is a stupid, stupid, stupid thing that has started in the last few years, this labeling of all those you dislike (even for good reason!) as "trolls".

I don't think I've ever chimed in on this topic here before, despite the huge number of times it's come up and how willing I usually am to say things that are potentially inflammatory...

No need to apologize. That was more me going "Huh, now that's TWO people saying this thing I didn't consider/haven't experienced."

Your comment is like that other comment!

I don't look at much of anything on Facebook except what's on my friends' pages. Which is content/comment by other friends, and so not so much public.

Law's gotta remain fair and impartial (Hah! As if that's actually the case!)

I hear this enough that I can't just say, "nuh-uh", but my experience has continually been the opposite - and not just with respect to gender. I'm just going to assume it's a cloistering effect. As a kid, I was exposed to the whole world via public school. Now, I don't really interact with many strangers and don't…