Agreed. All they do is take “car” and make the space a little more vertical with a very small volume and efficiency penalty. For a given volume, a bigger footprint is a pain in the real world compared to using vertical space.

I’m finding that I routinely need to haul more people than my compact hatchback can, and also my side-hustle involves hauling lumber and sheet goods, therefore I’m buying a minivan next month. However, it will not be a $40K brand-new model, it will be a $10K Grand Caravan because I can get one that’s only a few years…

Wow, I didn’t realize it was that different. If I woulda guessed, I would have thought the Pilot was bigger. Also, the Odyssey is about 500 lbs heavier, sheesh that is pretty beefy. And after looking around, that seems to be pretty consistent with Toyota & Chrysler too. So, the only benefit a van offers really is a…

My driving is likely better than your reading comprehension.

Good writers know why crossovers are popular.

I’ve found indy shops around me don’t want to install my part. They want me to buy the part from them or they don’t want my business.  They also work bankers hours, so I guess more power to them, but not good for those of us who want a good small shop mechanic. 

I can’t help but read an air of superiority here too. If you don’t “get it,” you’re just not “elegant” or “expressive” enough to be BMW.

The  big advantage of no center console in a minivan is that you can climb into the van through the sliding door to strap the kids in and then squeeze through to the front Millennium Falcon-style, a big advantage in the  rain.

Sooo.....

As a designer myself, I can’t think of anything less elegant and less creative than just scaling up the kidneys until they become naked mole rat teeth. So no elegant creators that I know would want to be seen anywhere near the heaps of fugliness that is any new BMW.

Imagine bragging about a 20% approval of your design. EIGHTY PERCENT of people said they didn’t like it, and you’re bragging about targeting the remainders? “Congrats, you have shit taste. Just how we like ‘em!”

I don’t know, maybe like literally every other person, ever? Get to know someone BEFORE sitting 6 inches away from them.

I’ve had cars where all it needed was a $10 part... and $500 worth of labor to get at it or a garage full of equipment I didn’t have.

I have an early Tesla Model S (2013 P85) before Tesla started filling the center console space with an actual center console. Looks like this:

Its my experience that cars with an open floor plan, so to speak, kind suck because you can’t use the space. What’s the point of putting feet down there if there is no center seat (that’s a whole other thing) and anything you put down there for storage is just asking to slide all over the place and cause issues. To…

Yeah I think these posts used to be an honest attempt to help people, but they have devolved into an attention competition between the writers.

Yeah and apparently they have been done for two years because they havent paid for registration for that long. So more than likely, it hasnt been driven for 2 plus years either and I will be damned to pay over 600 bucks for that registration because of the owner

Dodge Magnum with a Hemi. Several to choose from at half his budget with under 60k on the odometer. With little work, it can be built to over 600hp. $15,000 would easily do it with $10k or so to spare.

Yup. And you can do this!

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