Well he was king till the moment he died.

But isn't the whole planet one mega mass grave, if you really think about it?

agreed! And maybe that mother tried to abort a fetus, absolutely couldn't because of the crazy shit laws and now has an actual human she'd rather humanely give up. I mean, let's not pretend that with all of the abortion restrictions we will suddenly have more willing parents. We will only have more unwanted infants.

*nods* And there's something kind of...condescending...about the assumption that just because a woman abandons a baby, she's just doing it because she doesn't know better. Maybe she does know better - maybe this isn't the ideal solution, but it's the best she has right now.

There absolutely is a good answer: introduce the boxes.

These babies are going to be surrendered regardless, better that they be surrendered and not abandoned and die.

The moral thing to do is to minimize suffering without introducing new suffering. This does just that

Yeah, I'm the same way. I don't know what it is exactly, but I hate treadmills so much that even watching TV will not help me. I'd rather run outside with nothing than run inside with TV.

At hospitals and other Safe Havens, they question you about the pregnancy, your health, and make sure you are one of the parents (Safe Haven laws only cover parents- if another relative drops the baby off for you that person can be charged with neglect/abandonment). This is really scary to mothers who did drugs during…

They can, but this provides a more anonymous option. (That's the reasoning behind the law.)

I'm a terrible person. This was my first thought:

You're not crazy, but the alternative is a drop off that has no option for heat or signal system. I imagine that the boxes would be checked regularly, signal or not. Bottom line: People need an option that doesn't involve handing over to a human being, which might be too shameful of a situation for some people…

those pseudo-clinics DO still exist. went to one recently after a scare. i am not exaggerating when i say that the people who work for these types of establishments are just awful people.

I agree. The sentiment seems to be, "We need to make sure that they really, really know what they're doing and that we can't change their minds." Which...yeah. It's not the greatest sentiment.

I'm guessing some women are afraid they will face some sort of consequences for abandoning their child and want to do it 100% anonymously. This is probably especially true for very young mothers, and those who used drugs during their pregnancy.

Jesus, that's awful. Threatening a child with that absolutely constitutes abusive parenting.

Handing the child to a trained professional also provides an opportunity to determine whether the mother simply needs financial support or other help to develop a parenting plan.

Having worked on the insurance side of health insurance, and dealt with that newborn policy, I think I can explain. In company I worked for, the policy was that a newborn is automatically covered under the mother's policy for the first 30 days as they wait for official enrollment under the newborn's name when they're…